linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH RFC v3 1/2] mm: Add personality flag to limit address to 47 bits

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 23:06:46 -0700
From: Charlie Jenkins <charlie@...osinc.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 1/2] mm: Add personality flag to limit address to
 47 bits

On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 07:25:08AM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2024, at 00:45, Charlie Jenkins wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 03:08:14PM -0400, Liam R. Howlett wrote:
> >
> > I responded to Arnd in the other thread, but I am still not convinced
> > that the solution that x86 and arm64 have selected is the best solution.
> > The solution of defaulting to 47 bits does allow applications the
> > ability to get addresses that are below 47 bits. However, due to
> > differences across architectures it doesn't seem possible to have all
> > architectures default to the same value. Additionally, this flag will be
> > able to help users avoid potential bugs where a hint address is passed
> > that causes upper bits of a VA to be used.
> >
> > The other issue I have with this is that if there is not a hint address
> > specified to be greater than 47 bits on x86, then mmap() may return an
> > address that is greater than 47-bits. The documentation in
> > Documentation/arch/x86/x86_64/5level-paging.rst says:
> >
> > "If hint address set above 47-bit, but MAP_FIXED is not specified, we try
> > to look for unmapped area by specified address. If it's already
> > occupied, we look for unmapped area in *full* address space, rather than
> > from 47-bit window."
> 
> This is also in the commit message of b569bab78d8d ("x86/mm: Prepare
> to expose larger address space to userspace"), which introduced it.
> However, I don't actually see the fallback to the full address space,
> instead the actual behavior seems to be the same as arm64.
> 
> Am I missing something in the x86 implementation, or do we just
> need to update the documentation?
> 
>       Arnd

Yeah I guess it is incorrect documentation then? It seems more
reasonable to me to have a hint address fall back onto the larger
address space because otherwise the "hint" address can cause allocations
to fail even if there is space above the 47-bit limit. This is another
reason I wanted to avoid having this default behavior on riscv, to not
have this abuse of the hint address.

- Charlie