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Message-ID: <CAHbLzkotBTOf0OrPSN4o=UEvRXjT=L=NSZn_=FBA6nG51ppjYg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 18:08:23 -0700
From: Yang Shi <shy828301@...il.com>
To: Helge Deller <deller@....de>
Cc: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@...cle.com>, Helge Deller <deller@...nel.org>, 
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, 
	linux-mm@...ck.org, linux-parisc@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] mm: mmap: Allow mmap(MAP_STACK) to map growable stack

On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 5:50 PM Helge Deller <deller@....de> wrote:
>
> On 9/12/24 01:05, Liam R. Howlett wrote:
> > * Yang Shi <shy828301@...il.com> [240911 18:16]:
> >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 12:49 PM Liam R. Howlett
> >> <Liam.Howlett@...cle.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> * Helge Deller <deller@...nel.org> [240911 15:20]:
> >>>> This is a RFC to change the behaviour of mmap(MAP_STACK) to be
> >>>> sufficient to map memory for usage as stack on all architectures.
> >>>> Currently MAP_STACK is a no-op on Linux, and instead MAP_GROWSDOWN
> >>>> has to be used.
> >>>> To clarify, here is the relevant info from the mmap() man page:
> >>>>
> >>>> MAP_GROWSDOWN
> >>>>     This flag is used for stacks. It indicates to the kernel virtual
> >>>>     memory system that the mapping should extend downward in memory.  The
> >>>>     return address is one page lower than the memory area that is
> >>>>     actually created in the process's virtual address space.  Touching an
> >>>>     address in the "guard" page below the mapping will cause the mapping
> >>>>     to grow by a page. This growth can be repeated until the mapping
> >>>>     grows to within a page of the high end of the next lower mapping,
> >>>>     at which point touching the "guard" page will result in a SIGSEGV
> >>>>     signal.
> >>>>
> >>>> MAP_STACK (since Linux 2.6.27)
> >>>>     Allocate the mapping at an address suitable for a process or thread
> >>>>     stack.
> >>>>
> >>>>     This flag is currently a no-op on Linux. However, by employing this
> >>>>     flag, applications can ensure that they transparently obtain support
> >>>>     if the flag is implemented in the future. Thus, it is used in the
> >>>>     glibc threading implementation to allow for the fact that
> >>>>     some architectures may (later) require special treatment for
> >>>>     stack allocations. A further reason to employ this flag is
> >>>>     portability: MAP_STACK exists (and has an effect) on some
> >>>>     other systems (e.g., some of the BSDs).
> >>>>
> >>>> The reason to suggest this change is, that on the parisc architecture the
> >>>> stack grows upwards. As such, using solely the MAP_GROWSDOWN flag will not
> >>>> work. Note that there exists no MAP_GROWSUP flag.
> >>>> By changing the behaviour of MAP_STACK to mark the memory area with the
> >>>> VM_STACK bit (which is VM_GROWSUP or VM_GROWSDOWN depending on the
> >>>> architecture) the MAP_STACK flag does exactly what people would expect on
> >>>> all platforms.
> >>>>
> >>>> This change should have no negative side-effect, as all code which
> >>>> used mmap(MAP_GROWSDOWN | MAP_STACK) still work as before.
> >>>>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Helge Deller <deller@....de>
> >>>>
> >>>> diff --git a/include/linux/mman.h b/include/linux/mman.h
> >>>> index bcb201ab7a41..66bc72a0cb19 100644
> >>>> --- a/include/linux/mman.h
> >>>> +++ b/include/linux/mman.h
> >>>> @@ -156,6 +156,7 @@ calc_vm_flag_bits(unsigned long flags)
> >>>>        return _calc_vm_trans(flags, MAP_GROWSDOWN,  VM_GROWSDOWN ) |
> >>>>               _calc_vm_trans(flags, MAP_LOCKED,     VM_LOCKED    ) |
> >>>>               _calc_vm_trans(flags, MAP_SYNC,       VM_SYNC      ) |
> >>>> +            _calc_vm_trans(flags, MAP_STACK,      VM_STACK     ) |
> >>>
> >>> Right now MAP_STACK can be used to set VM_NOHUGEPAGE, but this will
> >>> change the user interface to create a vma that will grow.  I'm not
> >>> entirely sure this is okay?
> >>
> >> AFAICT, I don't see this is a problem. Currently huge page also skips
> >> the VMAs with VM_GROWS* flags set. See vma_is_temporary_stack().
> >> __thp_vma_allowable_orders() returns 0 if the vma is a temporary
> >> stack.
> >
> > If someone is using MAP_STACK to avoid having a huge page, they will
> > also get a mapping that grows - which is different than what happens
> > today.
> >
> > I'm not saying that's right, but someone could be abusing the existing
> > flag and this will change the behaviour.
>
> Wouldn't a plain mmap() followed by madvise(MADV_NOHUGEPAGE) do exactly that?
> Why abusing MAP_STACK for that?

Different sources and reports showed having huge pages for stack
mapping hurts performance. A lot of applications, for example, pthread
lib, allocate stack with MAP_STACK and they don't call MADV_NOHUGEPAGE
on stack mapping.

>
> Helge
>
> >>> That is mmap(MAP_STACK) would set VM_NOHUGEPAGE right now, with this
> >>> change you'd get VM_NOHUGEPAGE | VM_GROWS<something>
> >>>
> >>>>               _calc_vm_trans(flags, MAP_STACK,      VM_NOHUGEPAGE) |
> >>>>               arch_calc_vm_flag_bits(flags);
> >>>>   }
>