linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v11 19/20] x86/kvmclock: Skip kvmclock when Secure TSC is available

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Message-ID: <Zu0iiMoLJprb4nUP@google.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 00:21:44 -0700
From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>
To: "Nikunj A. Dadhania" <nikunj@....com>
Cc: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, thomas.lendacky@....com, bp@...en8.de, 
	x86@...nel.org, kvm@...r.kernel.org, mingo@...hat.com, tglx@...utronix.de, 
	dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com, pgonda@...gle.com, pbonzini@...hat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 19/20] x86/kvmclock: Skip kvmclock when Secure TSC is available

On Fri, Sep 20, 2024, Nikunj A. Dadhania wrote:
> On 9/18/2024 5:37 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, Nikunj A. Dadhania wrote:
> >> On 9/13/2024 11:00 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Nikunj A Dadhania <nikunj@....com>
> >>>> Tested-by: Peter Gonda <pgonda@...gle.com>
> >>>> ---
> >>>>  arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c | 2 +-
> >>>>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >>>>
> >>>> diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c b/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c
> >>>> index 5b2c15214a6b..3d03b4c937b9 100644
> >>>> --- a/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c
> >>>> +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c
> >>>> @@ -289,7 +289,7 @@ void __init kvmclock_init(void)
> >>>>  {
> >>>>  	u8 flags;
> >>>>  
> >>>> -	if (!kvm_para_available() || !kvmclock)
> >>>> +	if (!kvm_para_available() || !kvmclock || cc_platform_has(CC_ATTR_GUEST_SECURE_TSC))
> >>>
> >>> I would much prefer we solve the kvmclock vs. TSC fight in a generic way.  Unless
> >>> I've missed something, the fact that the TSC is more trusted in the SNP/TDX world
> >>> is simply what's forcing the issue, but it's not actually the reason why Linux
> >>> should prefer the TSC over kvmclock.  The underlying reason is that platforms that
> >>> support SNP/TDX are guaranteed to have a stable, always running TSC, i.e. that the
> >>> TSC is a superior timesource purely from a functionality perspective.  That it's
> >>> more secure is icing on the cake.
> >>
> >> Are you suggesting that whenever the guest is either SNP or TDX, kvmclock
> >> should be disabled assuming that timesource is stable and always running?
> > 
> > No, I'm saying that the guest should prefer the raw TSC over kvmclock if the TSC
> > is stable, irrespective of SNP or TDX.  This is effectively already done for the
> > timekeeping base (see commit 7539b174aef4 ("x86: kvmguest: use TSC clocksource if
> > invariant TSC is exposed")), but the scheduler still uses kvmclock thanks to the
> > kvm_sched_clock_init() code.
> 
> The kvm-clock and tsc-early both are having the rating of 299. As they are of
> same rating, kvm-clock is being picked up first.
> 
> Is it fine to drop the clock rating of kvmclock to 298 ? With this tsc-early will
> be picked up instead.

IMO, it's ugly, but that's a problem with the rating system inasmuch as anything.

But the kernel will still be using kvmclock for the scheduler clock, which is
undesirable.