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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 14:52:18 +0200
From: Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@....com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>
Cc: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@....com>, qyousef@...alina.io,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/5] sched/fair: Use EAS also when overutilized

Hello Vincent,

On 10/9/24 10:53, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> Hi Pierre,
> 
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 at 09:03, Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@....com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Vincent,
>>
>> Sorry for the delay:
>>
>> On 9/25/24 15:28, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Sept 2024 at 10:26, Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@....com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Vincent,
>>>> I tried this patch on a Pixel 6 (8 CPUs, 4 little, 2 mid, 2 big)
>>>> with patches 1-4/5 using these workloads:
>>>> ---
>>>> A.
>>>> a. 8 tasks at 2%/5%/10% during 1s
>>>> b. 1 task:
>>>>       - sleeping during 0.3s
>>>>       - at 100% during 0.3s
>>>>       - sleeping during 0.3s
>>>>
>>>> b. is used to reach the overutilized state during a limited amount of time.
>>>> EAS is then operating, then the load balancer does the task placement, then EAS
>>>> is operating again.
>>>>
>>>> B.
>>>> a. 8 tasks at 2%/5%/10% during 1s
>>>> b. 1 task:
>>>>       - at 100% during 1s
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> I'm seeing the energy consumption increase in some cases. This seems to be
>>>> due to feec() migrating tasks more often than what the load balancer does
>>>> for this workload. This leads to utilization 'spikes' and then frequency
>>>> 'spikes', increasing the overall energy consumption.
>>>> This is not entirely related to this patch though,, as the task placement seems
>>>> correct. I.e. feec() effectively does an optimal placement given the EM and
>>>> task utilization. The task placement is just a bit less stable than with
>>>> the load balancer.
>>>
>>> Would patch 5 help to keep things better placed ? in particular if
>>> task b is misplaced at some point because of load balance ?
>>
>> I assume so, it would require more testing on my side
>>
>>>
>>> I agree that load balance might still contribute to migrate task in a
>>> not energy efficient way
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Regarding hackbench, I've reproduced the test you've run on the same Pixel6.
>>>> I have CONFIG_SCHED_CLUSTER enabled, which allows having a sched domain for
>>>> each little/mid/big CPUs (without the config, these group would no exist).
>>>
>>> Why did you do this ? All cpus are expected to be in same sched domain
>>> as they share their LLC
>>
>> I did this to observe the loa balancer a bit more carefully while reviewing
>> the first patch:
>>     sched/fair: Filter false overloaded_group case for EAS
>> I've let this configuration, but effectively this should not bring anything more.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see an important regression in the result.
>>>> I replaced the condition to run feec() through select_task_rq_fair() by:
>>>>      if (get_rd_overloaded(cpu_rq(cpu)->rd) == 0)) {
>>>
>>> overloaded is enable when more than 1 task runs on a cpu whatever the
>>> utilization
>>
>> Yes right, this idea has little sense.
>>
>>>
>>>>        new_cpu = find_energy_efficient_cpu(p, prev_cpu);
>>>>        ...
>>>>      }
>>>> and obtained better results.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, for such intensive workload:
>>>> - EAS would not have any energy benefit, so better prioritize performance
>>>>      (as Christian mentioned)
>>>> - EAS would not be able to find a fitting CPU, so running feec() should be
>>>>      avoided
>>>> - as you mention in the commit message, shuffling tasks when one CPU becomes
>>>>      momentarily overutilized is inefficient energy-wise (even though I don't have
>>>>      the numbers, it should make sense).
>>>> So detecting when the system is overloaded should be a better compromise I
>>>> assume. The condition in sched_balance_find_src_group() to let the load balancer
>>>> operate might also need to be updated.
>>>>
>>>> Note:
>>>> - base: with patches 1-4/5
>>>> - _ou: run feec() when not overutilized
>>>> - _ol: run feec() when not overloaded
>>>> - mean: hackbench execution time in s.
>>>> - delta: negative is better. Value is in percentage.
>>>
>>> Could you share your command line ? As explained in the cover letter I
>>> have seen some perf regressions but not in the range that you have
>>> below
>>>
>>> What is your base ? tip/sched/core ?
>>
>> I am working on a Pixel6, with a branch based on v6.8 with some scheduler patches
>> to be able to apply your patches cleanly.
> 
> TBH, I'm always cautious with those kind of frankenstein kernel
> especially with all changes that have happened on the scheduler since
> v6.8 compared to tip/sched/core

Yes I understand, I'll re-test it on a Juno with a newer kernel.

> 
>>
>> The mapping id -> command line is as:
> 
> Thanks for the commands details, I'm going to have a look
> 
>> (1) hackbench -l 5120 -g 1
>> (2) hackbench -l 1280 -g 4
>> (3) hackbench -l 640  -g 8
>> (4) hackbench -l 320  -g 16
>>
>> (5) hackbench -p -l 5120 -g 1
>> (6) hackbench -p -l 1280 -g 4
>> (7) hackbench -p -l 640  -g 8
>> (8) hackbench -p -l 320  -g 16
>>
>> (9) hackbench -T -l 5120 -g 1
>> (10) hackbench -T -l 1280 -g 4
>> (11) hackbench -T -l 640  -g 8
>> (12) hackbench -T -l 320  -g 16
>>
>> (13) hackbench -T -p -l 5120 -g 1
>> (14) hackbench -T -p -l 1280 -g 4
>> (15) hackbench -T -p -l 640  -g 8
>> (16) hackbench -T -p -l 320  -g 16
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> ┌─────┬───────────┬──────────┬─────────┬──────────┬─────────┬──────────┬──────────┬──────────┐
>>>> │ id  ┆ mean_base ┆ std_base ┆ mean_ou ┆ std_ou   ┆ mean_ol ┆ std_ol   ┆ delta_ou ┆ delta_ol │
>>>> ╞═════╪═══════════╪══════════╪═════════╪══════════╪═════════╪══════════╪══════════╪══════════╡
>>>> │ 1   ┆ 1.9786    ┆ 0.04719  ┆ 3.0856  ┆ 0.122209 ┆ 2.1734  ┆ 0.045203 ┆ 55.95    ┆ 9.85     │
> 
> I might have misunderstood your results above last time.
> mean_base results include patches 1 to 4 and  mean_ou revert patch 4.
> Does it mean that it is 55% better with patch 4 ? I originally thought
> there was a regression with patch 4 but I'm not sure that I understood
> correctly after re reading the table.

The columns are:
- the _base configuration disables EAS/feec() when in the overutilized state,
   i.e. patches 1-3 are applied.
- the _ou configuration keeps running EAS/feec() when in the overutilized state
   i.e. patches 1-4 are applied
- the _ol configuration should be ignored as previously established


> 
>>>> │ 2   ┆ 1.8991    ┆ 0.019768 ┆ 2.6672  ┆ 0.135266 ┆ 1.98875 ┆ 0.055132 ┆ 40.45    ┆ 4.72     │
>>>> │ 3   ┆ 1.9053    ┆ 0.014795 ┆ 2.5761  ┆ 0.141693 ┆ 2.06425 ┆ 0.045901 ┆ 35.21    ┆ 8.34     │
>>>> │ 4   ┆ 1.9586    ┆ 0.023439 ┆ 2.5823  ┆ 0.110399 ┆ 2.0955  ┆ 0.053818 ┆ 31.84    ┆ 6.99     │
>>>> │ 5   ┆ 1.746     ┆ 0.055676 ┆ 3.3437  ┆ 0.279107 ┆ 1.88    ┆ 0.038184 ┆ 91.51    ┆ 7.67     │
>>>> │ 6   ┆ 1.5476    ┆ 0.050131 ┆ 2.6835  ┆ 0.140497 ┆ 1.5645  ┆ 0.081644 ┆ 73.4     ┆ 1.09     │
>>>> │ 7   ┆ 1.4562    ┆ 0.062457 ┆ 2.3568  ┆ 0.119213 ┆ 1.48425 ┆ 0.06212  ┆ 61.85    ┆ 1.93     │
>>>> │ 8   ┆ 1.3554    ┆ 0.031757 ┆ 2.0609  ┆ 0.112869 ┆ 1.4085  ┆ 0.036601 ┆ 52.05    ┆ 3.92     │
>>>> │ 9   ┆ 2.0391    ┆ 0.035732 ┆ 3.4045  ┆ 0.277307 ┆ 2.2155  ┆ 0.019053 ┆ 66.96    ┆ 8.65     │
>>>> │ 10  ┆ 1.9247    ┆ 0.056472 ┆ 2.6605  ┆ 0.119417 ┆ 2.02775 ┆ 0.05795  ┆ 38.23    ┆ 5.35     │
>>>> │ 11  ┆ 1.8923    ┆ 0.038222 ┆ 2.8113  ┆ 0.120623 ┆ 2.089   ┆ 0.025259 ┆ 48.57    ┆ 10.39    │
>>>> │ 12  ┆ 1.9444    ┆ 0.034856 ┆ 2.6675  ┆ 0.219585 ┆ 2.1035  ┆ 0.076514 ┆ 37.19    ┆ 8.18     │
>>>> │ 13  ┆ 1.7107    ┆ 0.04874  ┆ 3.4443  ┆ 0.154481 ┆ 1.8275  ┆ 0.036665 ┆ 101.34   ┆ 6.83     │
>>>> │ 14  ┆ 1.5565    ┆ 0.056595 ┆ 2.8241  ┆ 0.158643 ┆ 1.5515  ┆ 0.040813 ┆ 81.44    ┆ -0.32    │
>>>> │ 15  ┆ 1.4932    ┆ 0.085256 ┆ 2.6841  ┆ 0.135623 ┆ 1.50475 ┆ 0.028336 ┆ 79.75    ┆ 0.77     │
>>>> │ 16  ┆ 1.4263    ┆ 0.067666 ┆ 2.3971  ┆ 0.145928 ┆ 1.414   ┆ 0.061422 ┆ 68.06    ┆ -0.86    │
>>>> └─────┴───────────┴──────────┴─────────┴──────────┴─────────┴──────────┴──────────┴──────────┘
>>>>
>>>> On 9/17/24 22:24, Christian Loehle wrote:
>>>>> On 8/30/24 14:03, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>>>>>> Keep looking for an energy efficient CPU even when the system is
>>>>>> overutilized and use the CPU returned by feec() if it has been able to find
>>>>>> one. Otherwise fallback to the default performance and spread mode of the
>>>>>> scheduler.
>>>>>> A system can become overutilized for a short time when workers of a
>>>>>> workqueue wake up for a short background work like vmstat update.
>>>>>> Continuing to look for a energy efficient CPU will prevent to break the
>>>>>> power packing of tasks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>     kernel/sched/fair.c | 2 +-
>>>>>>     1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
>>>>>> index 2273eecf6086..e46af2416159 100644
>>>>>> --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
>>>>>> +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
>>>>>> @@ -8505,7 +8505,7 @@ select_task_rq_fair(struct task_struct *p, int prev_cpu, int wake_flags)
>>>>>>                    cpumask_test_cpu(cpu, p->cpus_ptr))
>>>>>>                        return cpu;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -            if (!is_rd_overutilized(this_rq()->rd)) {
>>>>>> +            if (sched_energy_enabled()) {
>>>>>>                        new_cpu = find_energy_efficient_cpu(p, prev_cpu);
>>>>>>                        if (new_cpu >= 0)
>>>>>>                                return new_cpu;
>>>>>
>>>>> Super quick testing on pixel6:
>>>>> for i in $(seq 0 6); do /data/local/tmp/hackbench -l 500 -g 100 | grep Time; sleep 60; done
>>>>> with patch 5/5 only:
>>>>> Time: 19.433
>>>>> Time: 19.657
>>>>> Time: 19.851
>>>>> Time: 19.789
>>>>> Time: 19.857
>>>>> Time: 20.092
>>>>> Time: 19.973
>>>>>
>>>>> mainline:
>>>>> Time: 18.836
>>>>> Time: 18.718
>>>>> Time: 18.781
>>>>> Time: 19.015
>>>>> Time: 19.061
>>>>> Time: 18.950
>>>>> Time: 19.166
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason we didn't always have this enabled is the belief that
>>>>> this costs us too much performance in scenarios we most need it
>>>>> while at best making subpar EAS decisions anyway (in an
>>>>> overutilized state).
>>>>> I'd be open for questioning that, but why the change of mind?
>>>>> And why is this necessary in your series if the EAS selection
>>>>> isn't 'final' (until the next sleep) anymore (Patch 5/5)?
>>>>>

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