linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v6 0/3] rust: Add irq abstraction, SpinLockIrq

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Message-ID: <303c54fe554107c6eb12993ec197fa396f1c3c43.camel@redhat.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 16:42:47 -0400
From: Lyude Paul <lyude@...hat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
Cc: Dirk Behme <dirk.behme@...il.com>, rust-for-linux@...r.kernel.org, 
 Danilo Krummrich <dakr@...hat.com>, airlied@...hat.com, Ingo Molnar
 <mingo@...hat.com>, Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>, Waiman Long
 <longman@...hat.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, 
 linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@...nel.org>, Alex Gaynor
 <alex.gaynor@...il.com>, Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@...il.com>, Gary
 Guo <gary@...yguo.net>, Björn Roy Baron
 <bjorn3_gh@...tonmail.com>, Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@...ton.me>, Andreas
 Hindborg <a.hindborg@...sung.com>, Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@...gle.com>,
 Trevor Gross <tmgross@...ch.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/3] rust: Add irq abstraction, SpinLockIrq

On Wed, 2024-10-16 at 23:00 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> 
> 
> Then you work from there and go the extra mile to create some creative
> workarounds at the abstraction level instead of trying to mimic the
> existing C nonsense.

JFYI - this was why I had tried diverging from how the C api does things when
I originally started this series and what I had been trying to get at with my
original reply to you. The first design I had was basically just wrong, but of
course that's what patch review is for!

But yeah - that's kind of been our goal with a lot of this. Or at the very
least it's certainly been mine :). My priorities in order of importance:

 * Do the technically correct thing, and come up with a solution that provides
   as much or more error checking then the C side of things
 * Mimic C APIs where it doesn't compromise on the above point ^, just for
   ease of adoption

We already have a number of APIs (the WIP DRM bindings for instance) where we
diverge pretty substantially from how things would be done in C for the
reasons you mentioned.

> 
> Which in turn gives you a way cleaner pattern of implementing stuff in
> rust.
> 
> Stop worrying about mostly irrelevant low level details which are not
> relevant to the primary audience of rust adoption. We can worry about
> them when we replace the scheduler and the low level interrupt handling
> code ten years down the road.
> 
> Please focus on providing a sane and efficient programming environment
> to get actual stuff (drivers) into the rust domain.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>         tglx
> 

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