linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/7] kernel/cgroups: Add "dev" memory accounting cgroup.

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite for Android: free password hash cracker in your pocket

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <20241028-meaty-mega-nuthatch-3d74b1@houat>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:05:48 +0100
From: Maxime Ripard <mripard@...nel.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>
Cc: Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@...ux.intel.com>, 
	intel-xe@...ts.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org, 
	Zefan Li <lizefan.x@...edance.com>, Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>, 
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, Friedrich Vock <friedrich.vock@....de>, cgroups@...r.kernel.org, 
	linux-mm@...ck.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] kernel/cgroups: Add "dev" memory accounting cgroup.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 07:06:36AM -1000, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 09:20:43AM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> ...
> > > Yeah, let's not use "dev" name for this. As Waiman pointed out, it conflicts
> > > with the devices controller from cgroup1. While cgroup1 is mostly
> > > deprecated, the same features are provided through BPF in systemd using the
> > > same terminologies, so this is going to be really confusing.
> > 
> > Yeah, I agree. We switched to dev because we want to support more than
> > just DRM, but all DMA-able memory. We have patches to support for v4l2
> > and dma-buf heaps, so using the name DRM didn't feel great either.
> > 
> > Do you have a better name in mind? "device memory"? "dma memory"?
> 
> Maybe just dma (I think the term isn't used heavily anymore, so the word is
> kinda open)? But, hopefully, others have better ideas.
> 
> > > What happened with Tvrtko's weighted implementation? I've seen many proposed
> > > patchsets in this area but as far as I could see none could establish
> > > consensus among GPU crowd and that's one of the reasons why nothing ever
> > > landed. Is the aim of this patchset establishing such consensus?
> > 
> > Yeah, we have a consensus by now I think. Valve, Intel, Google, and Red
> > Hat have been involved in that series and we all agree on the implementation.
> 
> That's great to hear.
> 
> > Tvrtko aims at a different feature set though: this one is about memory
> > allocation limits, Tvrtko's about scheduling.
> > 
> > Scheduling doesn't make much sense for things outside of DRM (and even
> > for a fraction of all DRM devices), and it's pretty much orthogonal. So
> > i guess you can expect another series from Tvrtko, but I don't think
> > they should be considered equivalent or dependent on each other.
> 
> Yeah, I get that this is about memory and that is about processing capacity,
> so the plan is going for separate controllers for each? Or would it be
> better to present both under the same controller interface? Even if they're
> going to be separate controllers, we at least want to be aligned on how
> devices and their configurations are presented in the two controllers.

It's still up in the air, I think.

My personal opinion is that there's only DRM (and accel) devices that
really care about scheduling constraints anyway, so it wouldn't (have
to) be as generic as this one.

And if we would call it dma, then the naming becomes a bit weird since
DMA doesn't have much to do with scheduling.

But I guess it's just another instance of the "naming is hard" problem :)

Maxime

Download attachment "signature.asc" of type "application/pgp-signature" (274 bytes)