linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] Alternative TPM patches for Trenchboot

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Message-ID: <CAMj1kXGd5KAXiFr3rEq3cQK=_970b=eRT4X6YKVSj2PhN6ACrw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 12:27:26 +0100
From: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@...nel.org>
Cc: "Daniel P. Smith" <dpsmith@...rtussolutions.com>, x86@...nel.org, 
	Ross Philipson <ross.philipson@...cle.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, 
	Peter Huewe <peterhuewe@....de>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>, 
	"open list:TPM DEVICE DRIVER" <linux-integrity@...r.kernel.org>, open list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] Alternative TPM patches for Trenchboot

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 at 12:18, Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon Nov 4, 2024 at 12:57 PM EET, Daniel P. Smith wrote:
> > On 11/2/24 14:00, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > On Sat Nov 2, 2024 at 5:22 PM EET, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > >> It is not really my problem but I'm also wondering how the
> > >> initialization order is managed. What if e.g. IMA happens to
> > >> initialize before slmodule?
> > >
> > > The first obvious observation from Trenchboot implementation is that it
> > > is 9/10 times worst idea ever to have splitted root of trust. Here it
> > > is realized by an LKM for slmodule.
> >
> > First, there is no conflict between IMA and slmodule. With your change
> > to make locality switching a one shot, the only issue would be if IMA
> > were to run first and issue a locality switch to Locality 0, thus
> > blocking slmodule from switching to Locality 2. As for PCR usage, IMA
> > uses the SRTM PCRs, which are completely accessible under Locality 2.
>
> Just pointing out a possible problem (e.g. with  TPM2_PolicyLocality).
>
> > Honestly, a better path forward would be to revisit the issue that is
> > driving most of that logic existing, which is the lack of a TPM
> > interface code in the setup kernel. As a reminder, this issue is due to
> > the TPM maintainers position that the only TPM code in the kernel can be
> > the mainline driver. Which, unless something has changed, is impossible
> > to compile into the setup kernel due to its use of mainline kernel
> > constructs not present in the setup kernel.
>
> I don't categorically reject adding some code to early setup. We have
> some shared code EFI stub but you have to explain your changes
> proeprly. Getting rejection in some early version to some approach,
> and being still pissed about that years forward is not really way
> to go IMHO.
>

Daniel has been nothing but courteous and patient, and you've waited
11 revision to come up with some bikeshedding patches that don't
materially improve anything.

So commenting on Daniel's approach here is uncalled for.

Can we please converge on this?

Daniel - if no component can be built as a module, there should be no
reason for the set_default_locality() hook to be exported to modules
right? And do we even need a sysfs node to expose this information?