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Message-ID: <20241110150859.GC6002@pendragon.ideasonboard.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:08:59 +0200
From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>
To: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@...hat.com>
Cc: Ricardo Ribalda <ribalda@...omium.org>,
Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@...nel.org>,
Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@...ux.intel.com>,
linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-media@...r.kernel.org,
Yunke Cao <yunkec@...omium.org>, Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@...all.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/6] media: uvcvideo: Implement the Privacy GPIO as a
subdevice
On Sat, Nov 09, 2024 at 04:37:10PM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi Ricardo,
>
> FYI / some background: I have been asked to start helping /
> co-maintaining UVC with Laurent. I'll send out a patch adding
> myself as UVC maintainer soon.
>
> On 8-Nov-24 9:25 PM, Ricardo Ribalda wrote:
> > Some notebooks have a button to disable the camera (not to be mistaken
> > with the mechanical cover). This is a standard GPIO linked to the
> > camera via the ACPI table.
> >
> > 4 years ago we added support for this button in UVC via the Privacy control.
> > This has two issues:
> > - If the camera has its own privacy control, it will be masked
> > - We need to power-up the camera to read the privacy control gpio.
> >
> > We tried to fix the power-up issues implementing "granular power
> > saving" but it has been more complicated than anticipated....
>
> I have been discussing UVC power-management with Laurent, also
> related to power-consumption issues caused by libcamera's pipeline
> handler holding open the /dev/video# node as long as the camera
> manager object exists.
>
> For now we have fixed this with some relatively small changes to
> libcamera's uvcvideo pipeline handler, but that is really meant
> as an interim solution and as this privacy control series shows
> the power-management issues are real.
>
> Combined with Mauro's remarks about how this is an userspace ABI break (1)
> I think we should maybe first take another look at the powermanagement
> issues in general rather then moving forward with this series.
>
> My apologies for this, I realize how annoying it can be when you are
> working on a patch series to fix a specific issue and a reviewer
> moves the goal-posts like this. But I do really think that just fixing
> the generic power-management issues would be better and I also think
> that this should be feasible / not too hard.
>
> Here is what I have in mind for this:
>
> 1. Assume that the results of trying a specific fmt do not change over time.
>
> 2. Only allow userspace to request fmts which match one of the enum-fmts ->
> enum-frame-sizes -> enum-frame-rates tripplet results
> (constrain what userspace requests to these)
>
> 3. Run the equivalent of tryfmt on all possible combinations (so the usaul
> 3 levels nested loop for this) on probe() and cache the results
This is possibly problematic. If I recall correctly (it was a very long
time ago), the gstreamer v4l2src element used to do this, and it
resulted in very large delays (> 10s with some devices), and possibly in
some devices crashing as well.
> 4. Make try_fmt / set_fmt not poweron the device but instead constrain
> the requested fmt to one from our cached fmts
>
> 5. On stream-on do the actual power-on + set-fmt + verify that we get
> what we expect based on the cache, and otherwise return -EIO.
>
> I think that should sort the issue, assuming that 1. above holds true.
>
> One downside is that this stops UVC button presses from working when
> not streaming. But userspace will typically only open the /dev/video#
> node if it plans to stream anyways so there should not be much of
> a difference wrt button press behavior.
>
> This should also make camera enumeration faster for apps, since
> most apps / frameworks do the whole 3 levels nested loop for this
> on startup, for which atm we go out to the hw, which now instead
> will come from the fmts cache and thus will be much much faster,
> so this should lead to a noticeable speedup for apps accessing UVC
> cameras which would be another nice win.
>
> Downside is that the initial probe will take longer see we do
> all the tryfmt-s there now. But I think that taking a bit longer
> to probe while the machine is booting should not be an issue.
It depends on how much "a bit" is. I don't think a >10s delay would be
acceptable.
> 1) Which is technically correct, but FWIW I agree with you that I think
> most userspace consumers will not care
>
> > Last year, we proposed a patchset to implement the privacy gpio as a
> > subdevice https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/20230111-uvc_privacy_subdev-v1-0-f859ac9a01e3@chromium.org/
> >
> > I think it is a pretty clean solution and makes sense to use a
> > subdevice for something that is a sub device of the camera :).
> >
> > This is an attempt to continue with that approach.
> >
> > Tested on gimble:
> > gimble-rev3 ~ # v4l2-ctl --all -d /dev/v4l-subdev0
> > Driver Info:
> > Driver version : 6.6.56
> > Capabilities : 0x00000000
> > Media Driver Info:
> > Driver name : uvcvideo
> > Model : HP 5M Camera: HP 5M Camera
> > Serial : 0001
> > Bus info : usb-0000:00:14.0-6
> > Media version : 6.6.56
> > Hardware revision: 0x00009601 (38401)
> > Driver version : 6.6.56
> > Interface Info:
> > ID : 0x0300001d
> > Type : V4L Sub-Device
> > Entity Info:
> > ID : 0x00000013 (19)
> > Name : GPIO
> > Function : Unknown sub-device (00020006)
> >
> > Camera Controls
> >
> > privacy 0x009a0910 (bool) : default=0 value=0 flags=read-only, volatile
> >
> > gimble-rev3 ~ # media-ctl -p
> > Media controller API version 6.6.56
> >
> > Media device information
> > ------------------------
> > driver uvcvideo
> > model HP 5M Camera: HP 5M Camera
> > serial 0001
> > bus info usb-0000:00:14.0-6
> > hw revision 0x9601
> > driver version 6.6.56
> >
> > Device topology
> > - entity 1: HP 5M Camera: HP 5M Camera (1 pad, 1 link)
> > type Node subtype V4L flags 1
> > device node name /dev/video0
> > pad0: Sink
> > <- "Extension 8":1 [ENABLED,IMMUTABLE]
> >
> > - entity 4: HP 5M Camera: HP 5M Camera (0 pad, 0 link)
> > type Node subtype V4L flags 0
> > device node name /dev/video1
> >
> > - entity 8: Extension 8 (2 pads, 2 links, 0 routes)
> > type V4L2 subdev subtype Unknown flags 0
> > pad0: Sink
> > <- "Extension 4":1 [ENABLED,IMMUTABLE]
> > pad1: Source
> > -> "HP 5M Camera: HP 5M Camera":0 [ENABLED,IMMUTABLE]
> >
> > - entity 11: Extension 4 (2 pads, 2 links, 0 routes)
> > type V4L2 subdev subtype Unknown flags 0
> > pad0: Sink
> > <- "Processing 2":1 [ENABLED,IMMUTABLE]
> > pad1: Source
> > -> "Extension 8":0 [ENABLED,IMMUTABLE]
> >
> > - entity 14: Processing 2 (2 pads, 2 links, 0 routes)
> > type V4L2 subdev subtype Unknown flags 0
> > pad0: Sink
> > <- "Camera 1":0 [ENABLED,IMMUTABLE]
> > pad1: Source
> > -> "Extension 4":0 [ENABLED,IMMUTABLE]
> >
> > - entity 17: Camera 1 (1 pad, 1 link, 0 routes)
> > type V4L2 subdev subtype Sensor flags 0
> > pad0: Source
> > -> "Processing 2":0 [ENABLED,IMMUTABLE]
> >
> > - entity 19: GPIO (0 pad, 0 link, 0 routes)
> > type V4L2 subdev subtype Decoder flags 0
> > device node name /dev/v4l-subdev0
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Ricardo Ribalda <ribalda@...omium.org>
> > ---
> > Changes in v2:
> > - Rebase on top of https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/project/linux-media/patch/20241106-uvc-crashrmmod-v6-1-fbf9781c6e83@chromium.org/
> > - Create uvc_gpio_cleanup and uvc_gpio_deinit
> > - Refactor quirk: do not disable irq
> > - Change define number for MEDIA_ENT_F_GPIO
> > - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20241031-uvc-subdev-v1-0-a68331cedd72@chromium.org
> >
> > ---
> > Ricardo Ribalda (5):
> > media: uvcvideo: Factor out gpio functions to its own file
> > Revert "media: uvcvideo: Allow entity-defined get_info and get_cur"
> > media: uvcvideo: Create ancillary link for GPIO subdevice
> > media: v4l2-core: Add new MEDIA_ENT_F_GPIO
> > media: uvcvideo: Use MEDIA_ENT_F_GPIO for the GPIO entity
> >
> > Yunke Cao (1):
> > media: uvcvideo: Re-implement privacy GPIO as a separate subdevice
> >
> > .../userspace-api/media/mediactl/media-types.rst | 4 +
> > drivers/media/usb/uvc/Makefile | 3 +-
> > drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvc_ctrl.c | 40 +----
> > drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvc_driver.c | 123 +-------------
> > drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvc_entity.c | 20 ++-
> > drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvc_gpio.c | 187 +++++++++++++++++++++
> > drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvc_video.c | 4 +
> > drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvcvideo.h | 34 ++--
> > drivers/media/v4l2-core/v4l2-async.c | 3 +-
> > include/uapi/linux/media.h | 1 +
> > 10 files changed, 252 insertions(+), 167 deletions(-)
> > ---
> > base-commit: 4353256f5487e0c5c47e8ff764bf4f9e679fb525
> > change-id: 20241030-uvc-subdev-89f4467a00b5
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
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