linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 2/3] x86/smp native_play_dead: Prefer cpuidle_play_dead() over mwait_play

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Message-ID: <CAJZ5v0gUxbm7hw8c56yo7V7d49aob7FLOsRYf6fa40-4FtYiGw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:38:52 +0100
From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc: Patryk Wlazlyn <patryk.wlazlyn@...ux.intel.com>, x86@...nel.org, 
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-pm@...r.kernel.org, 
	rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com, len.brown@...el.com, 
	artem.bityutskiy@...ux.intel.com, dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/3] x86/smp native_play_dead: Prefer
 cpuidle_play_dead() over mwait_play_dead()

On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 1:30 PM Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 1:18 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 01:03:49PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 12:47 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 08, 2024 at 01:29:08PM +0100, Patryk Wlazlyn wrote:
> > > > > The generic implementation, based on cpuid leaf 0x5, for looking up the
> > > > > mwait hint for the deepest cstate, depends on them to be continuous in
> > > > > range [0, NUM_SUBSTATES-1]. While that is correct on most Intel x86
> > > > > platforms, it is not architectural and may not result in reaching the
> > > > > most optimized idle state on some of them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Prefer cpuidle_play_dead() over the generic mwait_play_dead() loop and
> > > > > fallback to the later in case of missing enter_dead() handler.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Patryk Wlazlyn <patryk.wlazlyn@...ux.intel.com>
> > > > > ---
> > > > >  arch/x86/kernel/smpboot.c | 4 ++--
> > > > >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > > >
> > > > > diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/smpboot.c b/arch/x86/kernel/smpboot.c
> > > > > index 44c40781bad6..721bb931181c 100644
> > > > > --- a/arch/x86/kernel/smpboot.c
> > > > > +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/smpboot.c
> > > > > @@ -1416,9 +1416,9 @@ void native_play_dead(void)
> > > > >       play_dead_common();
> > > > >       tboot_shutdown(TB_SHUTDOWN_WFS);
> > > > >
> > > > > -     mwait_play_dead();
> > > > >       if (cpuidle_play_dead())
> > > > > -             hlt_play_dead();
> > > > > +             mwait_play_dead();
> > > > > +     hlt_play_dead();
> > > > >  }
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I don't think so. we don't want to accidentally hit
> > > > acpi_idle_play_dead().
> > >
> > > Fair enough.
> > >
> > > Then we are back to the original approach though:
> > >
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pm/20241029101507.7188-3-patryk.wlazlyn@linux.intel.com/
> >
> > Well, that won't be brilliant for hybrid systems where the available
> > states are different per CPU.
>
> But they aren't.
>
> At least so far that has not been the case on any platform known to me
> and I'm not aware of any plans to make that happen (guess what, some
> other OSes may be unhappy).
>
> > Also, all of this is a bit of a trainwreck... AFAICT AMD wants IO based
> > idle (per the 2018 commit). So they want the ACPI thing.
>
> Yes.
>
> > But on Intel we really don't want HLT, and had that MWAIT, but that has
> > real problems with KEXEC. And I don't think we can rely on INTEL_IDLE=y.
>
> We could because it handles ACPI now and ACPI idle doesn't add any
> value on top of it except for the IO-based idle case.
>
> > The ACPI thing doesn't support FFh states for it's enter_dead(), should it?
>
> It does AFAICS, but the FFH is still MWAIT.

Sorry, no, it doesn't.

It might I guess, but it would have been dead code in the vast
majority of configurations in the field.