linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4 1/1] memcg/hugetlb: Add hugeTLB counters to memcg

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Message-ID: <ZzXSCSBcPobCpmG8@tiehlicka>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 11:33:45 +0100
From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>,
	Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@...il.com>, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/1] memcg/hugetlb: Add hugeTLB counters to memcg

On Thu 14-11-24 00:26:24, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 02:42:29PM -0800, David Rientjes wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, David Rientjes wrote:
> > 
> > > > The reason that I opted not to include a breakdown of each hugetlb
> > > > size in memory.stat is only because I wanted to keep the addition that
> > > > this patch makes as minimal as possible, while still addressing
> > > > the goal of bridging the gap between memory.stat and memory.current.
> > > > Users who are curious about this breakdown can see how much memory
> > > > is used by each hugetlb size by enabling the hugetlb controller as well.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > While the patch may be minimal, this is solidifying a kernel API that 
> > > users will start to count on.  Users who may be interested in their 
> > > hugetlb usage may not have control over the configuration of their kernel?
> > > 
> > > Does it make sense to provide a breakdown in memory.stat so that users can 
> > > differentiate between mapping one 1GB hugetlb page and 512 2MB hugetlb 
> > > pages, which are different global resources?
> > > 
> > > > It's true that this is the case as well for total hugeltb usage, but
> > > > I felt that not including hugetlb memory usage in memory.stat when it
> > > > is accounted by memory.current would cause confusion for the users
> > > > not being able to see that memory.current = sum of memory.stat. On the
> > > > other hand, seeing the breakdown of how much each hugetlb size felt more
> > > > like an optimization, and not a solution that bridges a confusion.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > If broken down into hugetlb_2048kB and hugetlb_1048576kB on x86, for 
> > > example, users could still do sum of memory.stat, no?>
> > > 
> > 
> > Friendly ping on this, would there be any objections to splitting the 
> > memory.stat metrics out to be per hugepage size?
> 
> I don't think it has to be either/or. We can add the total here, and a
> per-size breakdown in a separate patch (with its own changelog)?
> 
> That said, a per-size breakdown might make more sense in the hugetlb
> cgroup controller. You're mentioning separate global resources, which
> suggests this is about more explicitly controlled hugetlb use.
> 
> >From a memcg POV, all hugetlb is the same. It's just (non-swappable)
> memory consumed by the cgroup.

Completely agreed. From the memcg POV there is no way to control hugetlb
pages or manage per size charging/pools. In a sense this is not much
different from slab accounting. We do print overall SLAB accounted
memory and do not break down each slab consumer in the stat file.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs