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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2024 10:28:43 +0100
From: AngeloGioacchino Del Regno <angelogioacchino.delregno@...labora.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 7/7] drm/mediatek: Introduce HDMI/DDC v2 for
 MT8195/MT8188

Il 05/12/24 03:48, CK Hu (胡俊光) ha scritto:
> On Thu, 2024-12-05 at 10:42 +0800, CK Hu wrote:
>> On Wed, 2024-12-04 at 15:44 +0100, AngeloGioacchino Del Regno wrote:
>>> External email : Please do not click links or open attachments until you have verified the sender or the content.
>>>
>>>
>>> Il 02/12/24 08:27, CK Hu (胡俊光) ha scritto:
>>>> Hi, Angelo:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2024-11-20 at 13:45 +0100, AngeloGioacchino Del Regno wrote:
>>>>> External email : Please do not click links or open attachments until you have verified the sender or the content.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Add support for the newer HDMI-TX (Encoder) v2 and DDC v2 IPs
>>>>> found in MediaTek's MT8195, MT8188 SoC and their variants, and
>>>>> including support for display modes up to 4k60 and for HDMI
>>>>> Audio, as per the HDMI 2.0 spec.
>>>>>
>>>>> HDCP and CEC functionalities are also supported by this hardware,
>>>>> but are not included in this commit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: AngeloGioacchino Del Regno <angelogioacchino.delregno@...labora.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>> +static int mtk_hdmi_v2_enable(struct mtk_hdmi *hdmi)
>>>>> +{
>>>>> +       int ret;
>>>>> +
>>>>> +       ret = pm_runtime_resume_and_get(hdmi->dev);
>>>>
>>>> Why turn on power when attach?
>>>> Should hot-plug detection be always on so power on when attach?
>>>> If so, maybe we need to use CEC to detect hot-plug because CEC has lower power and HDMI power would not be always on.
>>>> As you describe previously, CEC just need some hack to support both HDMI Tx and HDMI Rx.
>>>> So there is a software solution to use CEC to detect hot-plug in a lower power mode.
>>>> And v1 use CEC to detect hot-plug, so it's worth to make v1 and v2 has the same behavior.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As I said, we can't use CEC to detect hotplug, because the same CEC controller
>>> can be used for both HDMI TX and RX at the same time.
>>>
>>> If you use CEC to detect cable attach and you have both HDMI RX and HDMI TX drivers
>>> probed and ready, if you attach the cable to HDMI RX port, HDMI TX will try to get
>>> enabled and will error out.
>>> Same happens if you attach a cable to HDMI TX: HDMI RX will try to get enabled and
>>> will error out.
>>>
>>> The only way to use CEC for hotplug detection is to detect twice: CEC for HDMI
>>> TX/RX controllers wakeup, then reset both, wait for autodetect in both controllers,
>>> suppress errors, and start signal transmit or receive.
>>>
>>> While it is technically possible to do so, it's very complicated and hacky.
>>>
>>> Please keep in mind that on the new SoCs (8188/8195) the CEC block is different
>>> from the one in the old SoCs (6795, 8173, etc) and requires an entirely new driver
>>> to get it working.
>>>
>>> Using CEC for hotplug detection would mean that we need 3 full drivers:
>>> 1. HDMI TX
>>> 2. HDMI RX
>>> 3. CEC
>>>
>>> This is because the CEC is shared, so we need to have all three to properly test
>>> the functionality - and this is not possible to do all at once.
>>>
>>> To save some power (not much, though!), we can eventually go for your proposed
>>> CEC detection *in the future*, but really not right now - and we can do that only
>>> after upstreaming both HDMI TX and HDMI RX drivers.
>>>
>>> The plan (time/effort pemitting!) would look like this:
>>>
>>> Series 1 - Upstream HDMIv2 TX (HPD through HDMIv2 TX controller) - drivers/gpu/drm
>>> Series 2 - Upstream HDMIv2 RX (HPD through HDMIv2 RX controller) - drivers/media
>>> Series 3 - Upstream CEC driver (No HPD in CEC)                   - drivers/media
>>> Series 4 - Implement HPD in CEC and use it in HDMIv2 TX and HDMIv2 RX - media,drm
>>>
>>> You can see how complicated this is - and I'm sure that you understand why that
>>> cannot be done all at once.
>>>
>>> Adding up some: the HDMI driver is used only on IoT boards for now, which typically
>>> run off AC and not battery - so the (again) very little power consumption raise is
>>> not critical for now.
>>
>> If you plan to upstream HDMI RX driver recently, it's OK not using CEC to detect hot-plug.
>> But for any behavior which is different with v1 and it's related to CEC, add comment about CEC.
> 
> In here, describe more about the power.
> Chromebook may need HDMI TX driver and its power is from battery.
> Maybe Googler would be interested in low power behavior.
> 

There's no Chromebook with HDMI TX, only DP.

The only boards exposing the HDMI connector routed through the HDMI TX Controller
are:
  - Radxa NIO 12L  (MT8195)
  - Genio 1200 EVK (MT8195)
  - Genio 700 EVK  (MT8188)

Should a Chromebook featuring HDMI TX appear, we can go with heavy power related
optimization later, there's no problem (besides, again, it's about some microamps
and nothing more).

The power consumption was measured with a Joulescope JS110 on the Genio 700 EVK.
I didn't save the current measurement values, and I peformed those 3 weeks ago
so I don't remember the exact values - what I remember is that there was a
difference of microamps (18650 battery 4.2V -> JS110 -> board), but nothing more.

Cheers,
Angelo

> Regards,
> CK
> 
>>
>> Regards,
>> CK
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Angelo
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> CK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> +       if (ret) {
>>>>> +               dev_err(hdmi->dev, "Cannot resume HDMI\n");
>>>>> +               return ret;
>>>>> +       }
>>>>> +
>>>>> +       mtk_hdmi_v2_clk_enable(hdmi);
>>>>> +       mtk_hdmi_hw_reset(hdmi);
>>>>> +       mtk_hdmi_set_sw_hpd(hdmi, true);
>>>>> +
>>>>> +       return 0;
>>>>> +}
>>>>> +
> 

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