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Message-ID: <Z1lnwZPrx9GzgFCG@google.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:21:53 +0000
From: Quentin Perret <qperret@...gle.com>
To: Fuad Tabba <tabba@...gle.com>
Cc: Marc Zyngier <maz@...nel.org>, Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@...ux.dev>,
	Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@....com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@....com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@...wei.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
	Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>,
	Vincent Donnefort <vdonnefort@...gle.com>,
	Sebastian Ene <sebastianene@...gle.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, kvmarm@...ts.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/18] KVM: arm64: Introduce __pkvm_host_share_guest()

On Wednesday 11 Dec 2024 at 10:14:51 (+0000), Quentin Perret wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 Dec 2024 at 10:07:16 (+0000), Fuad Tabba wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 at 09:58, Quentin Perret <qperret@...gle.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 10 Dec 2024 at 15:51:01 (+0000), Fuad Tabba wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 at 15:41, Quentin Perret <qperret@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Initially I thought the comment was related to the warning below,
> > > > > > which confused me.
> > > > >
> > > > > It actually is about the warning below :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now I think what you're trying to say is that we'll
> > > > > > allow the share, and the (unrelated to the comment) warning is to
> > > > > > ensure that the PKVM_PAGE_SHARED_OWNED is consistent with the share
> > > > > > count.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, the only case where the host should ever attempt do use
> > > > > __pkvm_host_share_guest() on a page that is already shared is for a page
> > > > > already shared *with an np-guest*. The page->host_share_guest_count being
> > > > > elevated is the easiest way to check that the page is indeed in that
> > > > > state, hence the warning.
> > > > >
> > > > > If for example the host was trying to share with an np-guest a page that
> > > > > is currently shared with the hypervisor, that check would fail. We can
> > > > > discuss whether or not we would want to allow it, but for now there is
> > > > > strictly no need for it so I went with the restrictive option. We can
> > > > > relax that constraint later if need be.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think what you should have here, which would work better with the
> > > > > > comment, is something like:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                 /* Only host to np-guest multi-sharing is tolerated */
> > > > > > +               if (pkvm_hyp_vcpu_is_protected(vcpu))
> > > > > > +                       return -EPERM;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That would even make the comment unnecessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would prefer not adding this here, handle___pkvm_host_share_guest() in
> > > > > hyp-main.c already does that for us.
> > > >
> > > > I understand now, and I agree that an additional check isn't
> > > > necessary. Could you clarify the comment though? It's the word "only"
> > > > that threw me off, since to me it implied that the check was enforcing
> > > > the word "only". Maybe:
> > > >
> > > > >                 /* Tolerate host to np-guest multi-sharing. */
> > >
> > > I guess 'only' is somewhat important, it is the _only_ type of
> > > multi-sharing that we allow and the check enforces precisely that. The
> > > WARN_ON() will be triggered for any other type of multi-sharing, so we
> > > are really checking that _only_ np-guest multi-sharing goes through.
> > >
> > > Perhaps the confusing part is that the code as-is relies on WARN_ON()
> > > being fatal for the enforcement. Would it help if I changed the 'break'
> > > statement right after to 'fallthrough' so we proceed to return -EPERM?
> > > In practice we won't return anything as the hypervisor will panic, but
> > > I presume it is better from a logic perspective.
> > 
> > It would, but then we wouldn't be tolerating np-guest multisharing,
> > but like you said, it's not like we're tolerating it now anyway.
> > 
> > I wonder if it would be better simply not to allow multisharing at all for now.
> 
> That would mean turning off MMU notifiers in the host and taking
> long-term GUP pins on np-guest pages I think. Multi-sharing can be
> caused by many things, KSM, the zero page ... so we we'd need to turn
> all of that off (IOW, no MMU notifiers).
> 
> That's more or less the status quo in Android, but I vote for not going
> down that path upstream. pKVM should ideally be transparent for np-guest
> support if at all possible.

And to clarify my suggestion above, we should fallthrough IFF
host_share_guest_count is 0, but break otherwise to retain multi-sharing
support. So it's not a simple s/break/fallthrough change, that needs a
tiny bit of added logic.

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