linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v6 10/16] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a reference count

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Message-ID: <CAJuCfpE2KcsWbNJ=GhkXEnLqLTYQp0hSNjSAnDwqhui0N43_RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:17:55 -0800
From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 10/16] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a
 reference count

On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 3:20 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 10:13:34AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 01:53:17PM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> >
> > > Ah, ok I see now. I completely misunderstood what for_each_vma_range()
> > > was doing.
> > >
> > > Then I think vma_start_write() should remain inside
> > > vms_gather_munmap_vmas() and all vmas in mas_detach should be
> >
> > No, it must not. You really are not modifying anything yet (except the
> > split, which we've already noted mark write themselves).
> >
> > > write-locked, even the ones we are not modifying. Otherwise what would
> > > prevent the race I mentioned before?
> > >
> > > __mmap_region
> > >     __mmap_prepare
> > >         vms_gather_munmap_vmas // adds vmas to be unmapped into mas_detach,
> > >                                                       // some locked
> > > by __split_vma(), some not locked
> > >
> > >                                      lock_vma_under_rcu()
> > >                                          vma = mas_walk // finds
> > > unlocked vma also in mas_detach
> > >                                          vma_start_read(vma) //
> > > succeeds since vma is not locked
> > >                                          // vma->detached, vm_start,
> > > vm_end checks pass
> > >                                      // vma is successfully read-locked
> > >
> > >        vms_clean_up_area(mas_detach)
> > >             vms_clear_ptes
> > >                                      // steps on a cleared PTE
> >
> > So here we have the added complexity that the vma is not unhooked at
> > all. Is there anything that would prevent a concurrent gup_fast() from
> > doing the same -- touch a cleared PTE?
> >
> > AFAICT two threads, one doing overlapping mmap() and the other doing
> > gup_fast() can result in exactly this scenario.
> >
> > If we don't care about the GUP case, when I'm thinking we should not
> > care about the lockless RCU case either.
>
> Also, at this point we'll just fail to find a page, and that is nothing
> special. The problem with accessing an unmapped VMA is that the
> page-table walk will instantiate page-tables.
>
> Given this is an overlapping mmap -- we're going to need to those
> page-tables anyway, so no harm done.
>
> Only after the VMA is unlinked must we ensure we don't accidentally
> re-instantiate page-tables.

Got it. I'll need some time to digest all the input but I think I
understand more or less the overall direction. Thanks, Peter!