linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH] efivarfs: Introduce efivarfs refresh remount

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Message-ID: <CAHk0Hov3nOS4HJGOeYxvTnn5--=E00YihpS7T3i5Lv8Y9OHuxA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 23:17:54 +0800
From: Weizhao Ouyang <o451686892@...il.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>, 
	Jeremy Kerr <jk@...abs.org>, Tim Schumacher <timschumi@....de>, linux-doc@...r.kernel.org, 
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-efi@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] efivarfs: Introduce efivarfs refresh remount

On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 11:00 PM Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 at 15:58, James Bottomley
> <James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2025-01-15 at 22:49 +0800, Weizhao Ouyang wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 10:34 PM James Bottomley
> > > <James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 2025-01-15 at 22:14 +0800, Weizhao Ouyang wrote:
> > > > > Currently, when setting efi variables through the runtime
> > > > > service, efivarfs cannot sync variable updates properly.
> > > > > Introduce efivarfs refresh remount to support efivarfs
> > > > > information updates from other sources.
> > > >
> > > > What other sources could there possibly be?  While the Linux kernel
> > > > has sole possession of the EFI RT interface after ExitBootServices
> > > > has been called, nothing else should be able to update the
> > > > variables except efivarfs.  This is a guarantee from UEFI so why do
> > > > you think we can't rely on it?
> > >
> > > One route that may exist is: drivers/firmware/efi/test/efi_test.c
> > > holds some ioctls to call runtime service.
> >
> > That's not supposed to be used for anything other than direct testing
> > using the firmware test suite, which shouldn't impact production use of
> > efivarfs because it's defined to be N in Kconfig.   However, if we
> > suddenly decided there was a use case for production systems running
> > the test suite, the way forwards would be a notifier that tells
> > efivarfs about successful updates to variables as they occur without
> > having to remount.
> >
>
> I'd argue that running efi_test while efivarfs is mounted renders your
> test results useless, and so there is no need to make them play nicely
> together.

Emm, yeah, so far this leans more towards a hacking scenario than a
production scenario.

BR,
Weizhao