linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 01/12] dma-buf: Introduce dma_buf_get_pfn

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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 07:39:36 +0800
From: Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@...ux.intel.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 01/12] dma-buf: Introduce dma_buf_get_pfn_unlocked()
 kAPI

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 06:33:48AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 09:34:19AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > Or do you mean some that don't have pages associated with them, and
> > > thus have pfn_valid fail on them?  They still have a PFN, just not
> > > one that is valid to use in most of the Linux MM.
> > 
> > He is talking about private interconnect hidden inside clusters of
> > devices.
> > 
> > Ie the system may have many GPUs and those GPUs have their own private
> > interconnect between them. It is not PCI, and packets don't transit
> > through the CPU SOC at all, so the IOMMU is not involved.
> > 
> > DMA can happen on that private interconnect, but from a Linux
> > perspective it is not DMA API DMA, and the addresses used to describe
> > it are not part of the CPU address space. The initiating device will
> > have a way to choose which path the DMA goes through when setting up
> > the DMA.
> 
> So how is this in any way relevant to dma_buf which operates on
> a dma_addr_t right now and thus by definition can't be used for
> these?

One part of dma-buf is the fd-based machanism for exporters to share
buffers across devices & subsystems, while still have buffer's lifetime
controlled by exporters.  Another part is the way the importers use
the buffer (i.e. the dma_addr_t based kAPI).

The fd-based exporting machanism is what we want to dmaareuse for buffer
sharing. But we are pursuing some extended buffer sharing and DMA usage
which doesn't fit into existing DMA API mapping, e.g. for GPA/userspace
IOVA accessing, or IIUC other side channel DMA, multi-channel DMA ...

Thanks,
Yilun