linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm/mmap: allow MAP_DROPPABLE

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Message-ID: <CAK1f24mRU9pq5bCr3f0FX7XfFH0WLrSqakUt=HsTDK+uS27kqg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 21:32:46 +0800
From: Lance Yang <ioworker0@...il.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@...cle.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>, akpm@...ux-foundation.org, 21cnbao@...il.com, 
	ryan.roberts@....com, dev.jain@....com, shy828301@...il.com, ziy@...dia.com, 
	libang.li@...group.com, baolin.wang@...ux.alibaba.com, 
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org, Liam.Howlett@...cle.com, 
	vbabka@...e.cz, jannh@...gle.com, Jason@...c4.com, 
	Mingzhe Yang <mingzhe.yang@...com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm/mmap: allow MAP_DROPPABLE | MAP_PRIVATE in mmap()

Hi David and Lorenzo,

On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 6:38 PM Lorenzo Stoakes
<lorenzo.stoakes@...cle.com> wrote:
>
> Agree with David, NACK.
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 08:45:07AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > On 20.01.25 02:26, Lance Yang wrote:
> > > Currently, mmap() fails with `-EINVAL` when both MAP_DROPPABLE and
> > > MAP_PRIVATE are specified. This behavior might be inconsistent, as the
> > > implementation of MAP_DROPPABLE under the hood already includes the
> > > semantics of MAP_PRIVATE. So, IMO, whether MAP_PRIVATE is explicitly
> > > specified or not, it should work as expected.
> > >
> > > For example, when mmap() is called with `MAP_DROPPABLE | MAP_ANONYMOUS`,
> > > it creates a private anonymous mapping. Users can verify this behavior
> > > via `/proc/self/smaps`, where the resulting VMA is marked with the `dp`
> > > (MAP_DROPPABLE) flag, and the `Private_*` fields confirm private memory
> > > semantics. The output for a 2MiB mapping with these flags might look like:
> >
> > Note that "Private_" in the stats has *nothing* to do with MAP_PRIVATE.

Oh, I see. Thanks for pointing this out!

> >
> > >
> > > ```
> > > f433ace00000-f433ad000000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0
> > > Size:               2048 kB
> > > KernelPageSize:        4 kB
> > > MMUPageSize:           4 kB
> > > Rss:                2048 kB
> > > Pss:                2048 kB
> > > Pss_Dirty:          2048 kB
> > > Shared_Clean:          0 kB
> > > Shared_Dirty:          0 kB
> > > Private_Clean:         0 kB
> > > Private_Dirty:      2048 kB
> > > Referenced:         2048 kB
> > > Anonymous:          2048 kB
> > > ...
> > > VmFlags: rd wr mr mw me nr wf dd dp
> > > ```
> > >
> > > This patch changes mmap() to allow the combination of `MAP_DROPPABLE |
> > > MAP_PRIVATE`. For mmap(), at least one of MAP_PRIVATE or MAP_SHARED could
> > > be explicitly specified, regardless of the combination with other `MAP_*`
> > > flags.
> > >
> > > Fixes: 9651fcedf7b9 ("mm: add MAP_DROPPABLE for designating always lazily freeable mappings")
> >
> > "How about we just say that VM_DROPPABLE really is something separate
> > from MAP_PRIVATE or MAP_SHARED..
>
> Which is also how I view it. I -really- do not want to add a weird situation too
> where people wonder whether _not_ setting MAP_PRIVATE infers some different
> semantics.
>
> This mode is aggregate in behaviour by design and intended to be _specifically_
> asked for, not in conjection with other map flags.

Thanks for the lesson! I missed this important info before :(

>
> >
> > And then we make the rule be that VM_DROPPABLE is never dumped and
> > always dropped on fork, just to make things simpler." [1]
>
> Yup.
>
> >
> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/CAHk-=wi=XvCZ9r897LjEb4ZarLzLtKN1p+Fyig+F2fmQDF8GSA@mail.gmail.com/
> >
> > So, nack from my side.
>
> Also, mine.

Thanks again for your time!
Lance

>
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > David / dhildenb
> >