linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] fs: Add FS_XFLAG_COMPRESSED & FS_XFLAG_ENCRYPTED for FS_IOC

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Message-ID: <20250216211717.f7mvmh4lwpopbukn@pali>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 22:17:17 +0100
From: Pali Rohár <pali@...nel.org>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@...il.com>
Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@...nel.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@...nel.org>,
	ronnie sahlberg <ronniesahlberg@...il.com>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@...cle.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@...nel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>,
	Steve French <sfrench@...ba.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, linux-cifs@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] fs: Add FS_XFLAG_COMPRESSED & FS_XFLAG_ENCRYPTED
 for FS_IOC_FS[GS]ETXATTR API

On Sunday 16 February 2025 21:43:02 Amir Goldstein wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 9:24 PM Pali Rohár <pali@...nel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday 16 February 2025 21:17:55 Amir Goldstein wrote:
> > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 7:34 PM Eric Biggers <ebiggers@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 05:40:26PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> > > > > This allows to get or set FS_COMPR_FL and FS_ENCRYPT_FL bits via FS_IOC_FSGETXATTR/FS_IOC_FSSETXATTR API.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Pali Rohár <pali@...nel.org>
> > > >
> > > > Does this really allow setting FS_ENCRYPT_FL via FS_IOC_FSSETXATTR, and how does
> > > > this interact with the existing fscrypt support in ext4, f2fs, ubifs, and ceph
> > > > which use that flag?
> > >
> > > As far as I can tell, after fileattr_fill_xflags() call in
> > > ioctl_fssetxattr(), the call
> > > to ext4_fileattr_set() should behave exactly the same if it came some
> > > FS_IOC_FSSETXATTR or from FS_IOC_SETFLAGS.
> > > IOW, EXT4_FL_USER_MODIFIABLE mask will still apply.
> > >
> > > However, unlike the legacy API, we now have an opportunity to deal with
> > > EXT4_FL_USER_MODIFIABLE better than this:
> > >         /*
> > >          * chattr(1) grabs flags via GETFLAGS, modifies the result and
> > >          * passes that to SETFLAGS. So we cannot easily make SETFLAGS
> > >          * more restrictive than just silently masking off visible but
> > >          * not settable flags as we always did.
> > >          */
> > >
> > > if we have the xflags_mask in the new API (not only the xflags) then
> > > chattr(1) can set EXT4_FL_USER_MODIFIABLE in xflags_mask
> > > ext4_fileattr_set() can verify that
> > > (xflags_mask & ~EXT4_FL_USER_MODIFIABLE == 0).
> > >
> > > However, Pali, this is an important point that your RFC did not follow -
> > > AFAICT, the current kernel code of ext4_fileattr_set() and xfs_fileattr_set()
> > > (and other fs) does not return any error for unknown xflags, it just
> > > ignores them.
> > >
> > > This is why a new ioctl pair FS_IOC_[GS]ETFSXATTR2 is needed IMO
> > > before adding support to ANY new xflags, whether they are mapped to
> > > existing flags like in this patch or are completely new xflags.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Amir.
> >
> > But xflags_mask is available in this new API. It is available if the
> > FS_XFLAG_HASEXTFIELDS flag is set. So I think that the ext4 improvement
> > mentioned above can be included into this new API.
> >
> > Or I'm missing something?
> 
> Yes, you are missing something very fundamental to backward compat API -
> You cannot change the existing kernels.
> 
> You should ask yourself one question:
> What happens if I execute the old ioctl FS_IOC_FSSETXATTR
> on an existing old kernel with the new extended flags?
> 
> The answer, to the best of my code emulation abilities is that
> old kernel will ignore the new xflags including FS_XFLAG_HASEXTFIELDS
> and this is suboptimal, because it would be better for the new chattr tool
> to get -EINVAL when trying to set new xflags and mask on an old kernel.
> 
> It is true that the new chattr can call the old FS_IOC_FSGETXATTR
> ioctl and see that it has no FS_XFLAG_HASEXTFIELDS,

Yes, this was my intention how the backward and forward compatibility
will work. I thought that reusing existing IOCTL is better than creating
new IOCTL and duplicating functionality.

> so I agree that a new ioctl is not absolutely necessary,
> but I still believe that it is a better API design.

If it is a bad idea then for sure I can prepare new IOCTL and move all
new functionality only into the new IOCTL, no problem.

> Would love to hear what other fs developers prefer.
> 
> Thanks,
> Amir.