Message-ID: <5b6d669a-4fb9-5d24-6e08-1dc121438194@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 14:13:15 +0800
From: Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@...il.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>
Cc: mingo@...hat.com, peterz@...radead.org, mingo@...nel.org,
 juri.lelli@...hat.com, dietmar.eggemann@....com, rostedt@...dmis.org,
 bsegall@...gle.com, mgorman@...e.de, vschneid@...hat.com,
 linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Hao Jia <jiahao1@...iang.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] sched/core: Prioritize migrating eligible tasks in
 sched_balance_rq()



On 2025/1/20 13:48, Hao Jia wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2025/1/16 19:26, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 at 12:55, Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@...il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2025/1/15 17:28, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 at 09:55, Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2025/1/14 16:07, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 at 04:18, Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@...il.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2025/1/14 00:40, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 at 10:21, Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@...il.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Friendly ping...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024/12/23 17:14, Hao Jia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> From: Hao Jia <jiahao1@...iang.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When the PLACE_LAG scheduling feature is enabled and
>>>>>>>>>> dst_cfs_rq->nr_queued is greater than 1, if a task is
>>>>>>>>>> ineligible (lag < 0) on the source cpu runqueue, it will
>>>>>>>>>> also be ineligible when it is migrated to the destination
>>>>>>>>>> cpu runqueue. Because we will keep the original equivalent
>>>>>>>>>> lag of the task in place_entity(). So if the task was
>>>>>>>>>> ineligible before, it will still be ineligible after
>>>>>>>>>> migration.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So in sched_balance_rq(), we prioritize migrating eligible
>>>>>>>>>> tasks, and we soft-limit ineligible tasks, allowing them
>>>>>>>>>> to migrate only when nr_balance_failed is non-zero to
>>>>>>>>>> avoid load-balancing trying very hard to balance the load.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you explain why you think it's better to balance eligible 
>>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>> in priority and potentially skip a load balance ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In place_entity(), we maintain the task's original equivalent 
>>>>>>> lag, even
>>>>>>> if we migrate the task to dst_rq, this does not change its 
>>>>>>> eligibility
>>>>>>> attribute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but you don't answer the question why it's better to select an
>>>>>> eligible task vs a non eligible task.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When there are multiple tasks on src_rq, and the dst_cpu has some
>>>>>>> runnable tasks, migrating ineligible tasks to dst_rq will not 
>>>>>>> allow them
>>>>>>> to run. Therefore, such task migration is inefficient. We should
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is it inefficient ? load balance is about evenly balancing the
>>>>>> number of tasks or the load between CPUs, it never says that the 
>>>>>> newly
>>>>>> migrated task should run immediately
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My initial thought is that when we need to migrate some tasks during
>>>>> load balancing, at the current point in time, migrating ineligible 
>>>>> tasks
>>>>> to dst_cpu means they definitely cannot run there. Therefore, I prefer
>>>>> to keep them on src_cpu to reduce the overhead of dequeueing and
>>>>> enqueueing ineligible tasks.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry but I still don't get why it's important and would make a
>>>> difference. They are all runnable but ineligible tasks got more
>>>> runtime than other at that point in time so there is no real
>>>> difference
>>>
>>>
>>> I adopt a lazy strategy for ineligible tasks. At the current point in
>>> time, even if we migrate ineligible tasks to the dst CPU, they still
>>> have to wait on the dst CPU until they become eligible. We do not see
>>> clear benefits from migrating ineligible tasks, but their dequeueing and
>>> enqueueing would instead incur overhead.
>>
>> But your explanation doesn't make sense.
>> Not migrating an ineligible task only make sense for delayed_dequeue
>> tasks because they don't really want to run but only exhaust their lag
>> but this is already taken into account by
>> 61b82dfb6b7e ("sched/fair: Do not try to migrate delayed dequeue task")
>>
> 
> Thank you for your suggestion.
> 
> Yes, as you mentioned, this commit 61b82dfb6b7e ("sched/fair: Do not try 
> to migrate delayed dequeue task") reduces the migration of 
> delayed_dequeue tasks, but it doesn't work for ineligible RUNNING tasks 
> and when the migration_type is migrate_load.
> 
> 
>> Did you run your benchmark on top of this change ?
> 
> My previous benchmark tests were based on the torvalds/linux/master 
> branch, which does not include commit 61b82dfb6b7e ("sched/fair: Do not 
> try to migrate delayed dequeue task"). I will include this commit and 
> retest on my machine after my leave ends.
> 

I'm really sorry for being away for so long. I have retested the 
hackbench on my machine, which includes the commit 61b82dfb6b7e 
("sched/fair: Do not try to migrate delayed dequeue task"). Based on the 
hackbench test results, this patch still brings a slight performance 
improvement.

vanilla: Includes commit 61b82dfb6b7e ("sched/fair: Do not try to 
migrate delayed dequeue task"), but does not include my patch.

patched: Includes both the above commit and my patch.


hackbench-process-pipes
                       vanilla                  patched
Amean     1       0.4087 (   0.00%)      0.4003 (   2.04%)
Amean     4       1.7033 (   0.00%)      1.7100 (  -0.39%)
Amean     7       2.9020 (   0.00%)      2.8750 (   0.93%)
Amean     12      4.2543 (   0.00%)      4.2980 (  -1.03%)
Amean     21      5.8633 (   0.00%)      5.7507 (   1.92%)
Amean     30      7.3757 (   0.00%)      7.2887 (   1.18%)
Amean     48     10.5360 (   0.00%)     10.2647 (   2.58%)
Amean     79     16.5480 (   0.00%)     15.9820 (   3.42%)
Amean     96     19.7873 (   0.00%)     19.1347 (   3.30%)


hackbench-process-sockets
                       vanilla                  patched
Amean     1       0.7520 (   0.00%)      0.7377 (   1.91%)
Amean     4       2.5760 (   0.00%)      2.5103 (   2.55%)
Amean     7       4.3927 (   0.00%)      4.2653 (   2.90%)
Amean     12      7.3923 (   0.00%)      7.1427 (   3.38%)
Amean     21     12.3733 (   0.00%)     11.9760 (   3.21%)
Amean     30     17.2617 (   0.00%)     16.7987 (   2.68%)
Amean     48     28.8577 (   0.00%)     28.1980 (   2.29%)
Amean     79     50.0687 (   0.00%)     49.0887 (   1.96%)
Amean     96     62.1603 (   0.00%)     61.1177 (   1.68%)

FYI.

After the performance tests, I added some code in the can_migrate_task() 
to count the different reasons why tasks could not be migrated during 
the hackbench run.


hit_delayed_dequeue_cnt: Hit if (p->se.sched_delayed) && 
(env->migration_type != migrate_load)


hit_ineligible_cnt: Did not hit "hit_delayed_dequeue" && 
!env->sd->nr_balance_failed && task_is_ineligible_on_dst_cpu()


Count results:

hit_delayed_dequeue_cnt    378432
hit_ineligible_cnt        1862099



Thanks,
Hao

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