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Message-ID: <Z7yFpZMCFINhEht7@cassiopeiae>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 15:43:49 +0100
From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@...nel.org>
To: Maíra Canal <mcanal@...lia.com>,
	Christian König <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@...il.com>
Cc: phasta@...nel.org, Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@...el.com>,
	Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@...ux.intel.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <mripard@...nel.org>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@...e.de>,
	David Airlie <airlied@...il.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@...ll.ch>,
	Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@...lia.com>,
	dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/3] drm/sched: Adjust outdated docu for run_job()

On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:29:26AM -0300, Maíra Canal wrote:
> On 20/02/25 12:28, Philipp Stanner wrote:
> > On Thu, 2025-02-20 at 10:28 -0300, Maíra Canal wrote:
> > > Would it be possible to add a comment that `run_job()` must check if
> > > `s_fence->finished.error` is different than 0? If you increase the
> > > karma
> > > of a job and don't check for `s_fence->finished.error`, you might run
> > > a
> > > cancelled job.
> > 
> > s_fence->finished is only signaled and its error set once the hardware
> > fence got signaled; or when the entity is killed.
> 
> If you have a timeout, increase the karma of that job with
> `drm_sched_increase_karma()` and call `drm_sched_resubmit_jobs()`, the
> latter will flag an error in the dma fence. If you don't check for it in
> `run_job()`, you will run the guilty job again.

Considering that drm_sched_resubmit_jobs() is deprecated I don't think we need
to add this hint to the documentation; the drivers that are still using the API
hopefully got it right.

> I'm still talking about `drm_sched_resubmit_jobs()`, because I'm
> currently fixing an issue in V3D with the GPU reset and we still use
> `drm_sched_resubmit_jobs()`. I read the documentation of `run_job()` and
> `timeout_job()` and the information I commented here (which was crucial
> to fix the bug) wasn't available there.

Well, hopefully... :-)

> 
> `drm_sched_resubmit_jobs()` was deprecated in 2022, but Xe introduced a
> new use in 2023

Yeah, that's a bit odd, since Xe relies on a firmware scheduler and uses a 1:1
scheduler - entity setup. I'm a bit surprised Xe does use this function.

> for example. The commit that deprecated it just
> mentions AMD's case, but do we know if the function works as expected
> for the other users?

I read the comment [1] you're referring to differently. It says that
"Re-submitting jobs was a concept AMD came up as cheap way to implement recovery
after a job timeout".

It further explains that "there are many problem with the dma_fence
implementation and requirements. Either the implementation is risking deadlocks
with core memory management or violating documented implementation details of
the dma_fence object", which doesn't give any hint to me that the conceptual
issues are limited to amdgpu.

> For V3D, it does. Also, we need to make it clear which
> are the dma fence requirements that the functions violates.

This I fully agree with, unfortunately the comment does not explain what's the
issue at all.

While I do think I have a vague idea of what's the potential issue with this
approach, I think it would be way better to get Christian, as the expert for DMA
fence rules to comment on this.

@Christian: Can you please shed some light on this?

> 
> If we shouldn't use `drm_sched_resubmit_jobs()`, would it be possible to
> provide a common interface for job resubmission?

I wonder why this question did not come up when drm_sched_resubmit_jobs() was
deprecated two years ago, did it?

Anyway, let's shed some light on the difficulties with drm_sched_resubmit_jobs()
and then we can figure out how we can do better.

I think it would also be interesting to know how amdgpu handles job from
unrelated entities being discarded by not re-submitting them when a job from
another entitiy hangs the HW ring.

[1] https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/msgid/20221109095010.141189-5-christian.koenig@amd.com