linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 00/16] mm/madvise: batch tlb flushes for MADV_DONTNEED and MADV

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Message-Id: <20250305224628.60041-1-sj@kernel.org>
Date: Wed,  5 Mar 2025 14:46:28 -0800
From: SeongJae Park <sj@...nel.org>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@...ux.dev>
Cc: SeongJae Park <sj@...nel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@...cle.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <howlett@...il.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>,
	kernel-team@...a.com,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@...ck.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/16] mm/madvise: batch tlb flushes for MADV_DONTNEED and MADV_FREE

On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 11:57:34 -0800 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@...ux.dev> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 05, 2025 at 07:49:50PM +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 05, 2025 at 11:46:31AM -0800, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 05, 2025 at 08:19:41PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > > On 05.03.25 19:56, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 05, 2025 at 10:15:55AM -0800, SeongJae Park wrote:
> > > > > > For MADV_DONTNEED[_LOCKED] or MADV_FREE madvise requests, tlb flushes
> > > > > > can happen for each vma of the given address ranges.  Because such tlb
> > > > > > flushes are for address ranges of same process, doing those in a batch
> > > > > > is more efficient while still being safe.  Modify madvise() and
> > > > > > process_madvise() entry level code path to do such batched tlb flushes,
> > > > > > while the internal unmap logics do only gathering of the tlb entries to
> > > > > > flush.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do real applications actually do madvise requests that span multiple
> > > > > VMAs?  It just seems weird to me.  Like, each vma comes from a separate
> > > > > call to mmap [1], so why would it make sense for an application to
> > > > > call madvise() across a VMA boundary?
> > > >
> > > > I had the same question. If this happens in an app, I would assume that a
> > > > single MADV_DONTNEED call would usually not span multiples VMAs, and if it
> > > > does, not that many (and that often) that we would really care about it.
> > >
> > > IMHO madvise() is just an add-on and the real motivation behind this
> > > series is your next point.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > OTOH, optimizing tlb flushing when using a vectored MADV_DONTNEED version
> > > > would make more sense to me. I don't recall if process_madvise() allows for
> > > > that already, and if it does, is this series primarily tackling optimizing
> > > > that?
> > >
> > > Yes process_madvise() allows that and that is what SJ has benchmarked
> > > and reported in the cover letter. In addition, we are adding
> > > process_madvise() support in jemalloc which will land soon.
> > >
> > 
> > Feels like me adjusting that to allow for batched usage for guard regions
> > has opened up unexpected avenues, which is really cool to see :)
> > 
> > I presume the usage is intended for PIDFD_SELF usage right?
> 
> Yes.

Indeed. Thank you for opening up the door, Lorenzo :)

> 
> > 
> > At some point we need to look at allowing larger iovec size. This was
> > something I was planning to look at at some point, but my workload is
> > really overwhelming + that's low priority for me so happy for you guys to
> > handle that if you want.
> > 
> > Can discuss at lsf if you guys will be there also :)
> 
> Yup, we will be there and will be happy to discuss.

Me, too.  Looking forward to the day!


Thanks,
SJ

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