linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 2/8] rust: hrtimer: Add HrTimer::raw

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Message-ID: <cdf47123d4115b0aca452dc6f6da8029cc77d292.camel@redhat.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 17:29:17 -0400
From: Lyude Paul <lyude@...hat.com>
To: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@...nel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/8] rust: hrtimer: Add HrTimer::raw_forward() and
 forward()

oh - nevermind I get it but I think you made a mistake andreas, comment below

On Fri, 2025-04-25 at 17:06 -0400, Lyude Paul wrote:
> 
> 
> Perhaps I will understand this at some point after sending this email, but as
> I'm writing this I have to admit I'm very confused. This is the first time
> I've actually looked directly at the hrtimer_forward() source and I have to
> say this is 100% not what I expected the term "overrun" to mean. Honestly,
> enough so I'm kind of wondering if overrun is even the right word for the C
> documentation to be using here.
> 
> To make sure I'm understanding this right, an overrun is not "how many times
> we would have executed the timer between now and the new execution time" (e.g.
> "how many times did our new expiration value overrun the previous expiry
> interval"). Instead it's actually "if the timer's next execution time is
> greater than the previous expiry time then the timer will be forwarded by
> `interval`, but if the timer's execution time is shorter than the previous
> expiry time then the new execution time will be determined by figuring out if
> the timer were to execute at `interval` what the closest expiry time at that
> interval to the previous expiry time would be". Which, I'm afraid to admit
> doesn't actually make any sense to me and makes me feel like "overrun" is
> entirely the wrong word to be used here.
> 
> I'm having a little trouble understanding how I'd really describe this in the
> documentation because I'm also having a lot of trouble understanding why this
> behavior is the way it is and why someone would want it to work like this.
> Should this be something like "Forward the timer to the closest expiry time to
> the current expiry time that can be reached if the timer were to execute at
> the given interval"?. Or should I maybe just copy the C documentation as close
> as possible and just leave this strange behavior as an exercise for the
> reader?

Yeah I think you misunderstood how the code works. Going to show how the code
would run through using the last example you gave of:

>   If the timer expires 5s after `now` and `interval` is 2s, then the
>   expiry time is moved 4s forward and the return value is 2.

The timer value wouldn't actually be moved forward here and the return value
would be 0:

u64 hrtimer_forward(struct hrtimer *timer, ktime_t now, ktime_t interval)
//                                 ^ now+5         ^ 5          ^ 2
//                                 = 10
{
	u64 orun = 1;
	ktime_t delta;

	//                5  - 10 = -5
	delta = ktime_sub(now, hrtimer_get_expires(timer));

	// -5 < 0 = true
	if (delta < 0)
		return 0; // 0 overruns, timer executes at the same interval

	// (we don't execute the rest, so I've ommitted it)
	// ...
}
EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(hrtimer_forward);


> 
> > 
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Andreas Hindborg
> > 
> > 
> 

-- 
Cheers,
 Lyude Paul (she/her)
 Software Engineer at Red Hat

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