linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] bitops/32: Convert variable_ffs() and fls() zero-case handling to C

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Message-ID: <67be5eee-b67b-409a-8309-829f891b9944@citrix.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 01:12:13 +0100
From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@...rix.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
 Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...nel.org>,
 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
 Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
 x86@...nel.org, Juergen Gross <jgross@...e.com>,
 Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com>,
 Alexander Usyskin <alexander.usyskin@...el.com>,
 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
 Mateusz Jończyk <mat.jonczyk@...pl>,
 Mike Rapoport <rppt@...nel.org>, Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>,
 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
 xen-devel@...ts.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] bitops/32: Convert variable_ffs() and fls() zero-case
 handling to C

On 28/04/2025 10:38 pm, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On April 28, 2025 9:14:45 AM PDT, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 at 00:05, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org> wrote:
>>> And once we remove 486, I think we can do the optimization below to
>>> just assume the output doesn't get clobbered by BS*L in the zero-case,
>>> right?
>> We probably can't, because who knows what "Pentium" CPU's are out there.
>>
>> Or even if Pentium really does get it right. I doubt we have any
>> developers with an original Pentium around.
>>
>> So just leave the "we don't know what the CPU result is for zero"
>> unless we get some kind of official confirmation.
>>
>>          Linus
> If anyone knows for sure, it is probably Christian Ludloff. However, there was a *huge* tightening of the formal ISA when the i686 was introduced (family=6) and I really believe this was part of it.
>
> I also really don't trust that family=5 really means conforms to undocumented P5 behavior, e.g. for Quark.

https://www.sandpile.org/x86/flags.htm

That's a lot of "can't even characterise the result" in the P5.

Looking at P4 column, that is clearly what the latest SDM has
retroactively declared to be architectural.

~Andrew