linux-kernel - Re: [DISCUSSION] proposed mctl() API

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Message-ID: <f8db6b39-f11a-4378-8976-4169f4674e85@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 16:03:07 +0100
From: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@...il.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@...cle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@...ux.dev>,
 "Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@...cle.com>,
 David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>,
 Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
 Christian Brauner <brauner@...nel.org>, SeongJae Park <sj@...nel.org>,
 Mike Rapoport <rppt@...nel.org>, Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
 Barry Song <21cnbao@...il.com>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
 linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
 linux-api@...r.kernel.org, Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@...e.de>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] proposed mctl() API

On 30/05/2025 14:10, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 06:21:55PM +0100, Usama Arif wrote:
>>
>>
>> My knowledge is security is limited, so please bare with me, but I actually
>> didn't understand the security issue and the need for CAP_SYS_ADMIN for
>> doing VM_(NO)HUGEPAGE.
>>
>> A process can already madvise its own VMAs, and this is just doing that
>> for the entire process. And VM_INIT_DEF_MASK is already set to VM_NOHUGEPAGE
>> so it will be inherited by the parent. Just adding VM_HUGEPAGE shouldnt be
>> a issue? Inheriting MMF_VM_HUGEPAGE will mean that khugepaged would enter
>> for that process as well, which again doesnt seem like a security issue
>> to me.
> 
> W.R.T. the current process, the Issue is one Jann raised, in relation to
> propagation of behaviour to privileged (e.g. setuid) processes.
> 

But what is the actual security issue of having hugepages (or not having them) when
the process is running with setuid?

I know the cgroup proposal has been shot down, but lets imagine if this was a cgroup
setting, similar to the other memory controls we have, for e.g. memory.swap.{max,high,peak}.

We can chown the cgroup so that the property is set by unprivileged process. 

Having the process swap with setuid when the unprivileged process has swap disabled
in the cgroup is not the right behaviour. What currently happens is that the process
after obtaining the higher privilege level doesn't swap as well.

Similarly for hugepages, if it was a cgroup level setting, having the process give
hugepages always with setuid when the unprivileged user had it disabled it or vice versa
would not be the right behaviour.

Another example is PR_SET_MEMORY_MERGE, setuid does not change how it works as far as
I can tell.

So madlibs I dont see what the security issue is and why we would need to elevate privileges
to do this.

> W.R.T. remote processes, obviously we want to make sure we are permitted to do
> so.
> 

I know that this needs to be future proof. But I don't actually know of a real world
usecase where we want to do any of these things for remote processes.
Whether its the existing per process changes like PR_SET_MEMORY_MERGE for KSM and
PR_SET_THP_DISABLE for THP or the newer proposals of PR_DEFAULT_MADV_(NO)HUGEPAGE
or Barrys proposal.
All of them are for the process itself (and its children by fork+exec) and not for
remote processes. As we try to make our changes usecase driven, I think we should
not add support for remote processes (which is another reason why I think this might
sit better in prctl).