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Message-ID: <2fbf24bc-e895-40de-9ff6-5c18b74b4300@meta.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 09:48:29 -0400
From: Chris Mason <clm@...a.com>
To: Jianyong Wu <jianyong.wu@...look.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, Chris Mason <clm@...com>
Cc: vincent.guittot@...aro.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] sched/fair: bump sd->max_newidle_lb_cost when newidle
 balance fails

On 6/26/25 7:47 AM, Jianyong Wu wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> On 6/26/2025 3:00 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 01:48:08PM -0700, Chris Mason wrote:

[ ... ]

>> So sched_balance_rq() is used for pretty much all load-balancing, not
>> just newidle.
>>
>> Either make this conditional like:
>>
>>     if (idle == CPU_NEWLY_IDLE)
>>         update_newidle_cost(...);
>>
>> or do it all the callsite, where we find !pulled_task (ie failure).
>>
>> Specifically, we already do update_newidle_cost() there, perhaps inflate
>> the cost there instead?
>>
>>     if (!pulled_tasks)
>>         domain_cost += sysctl_sched_migration_cost;
>>
>> or whatever.
>>
>>
> Maybe it's meaningful to do the inflation here and no need to limit for
> just newidle part. Because when we do the regular load balancing and
> find nothing to pull, it means that there are no busy group here and we
> should not start newidle balancing either.
> 
> If there are concerns that the newidle cost might grow too large, we can
> implement a decay mechanism here.

FWIW, the main reason I parked this in sched_balance_rq() was because I
wasn't sure if there were other reasons we might fail to pull a task
where I didn't want to bump the cost.  You've got a good point though.

This v2 performs the same.  It takes about 60 seconds to warm up to the
point where schbench performance is fast.  Below I've also got
the drgn script I'm using the dump the avg_idle and sd info along with
output while schbench is running.

Peter if this is what you're looking for I'll send a new version,
without whatever whitespace mangling exchange does to this email.

diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
index 7a14da5396fb2..6a3345168870a 100644
--- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
+++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
@@ -12173,9 +12173,11 @@ static inline bool update_newidle_cost(struct sched_domain *sd, u64 cost)
        if (cost > sd->max_newidle_lb_cost) {
                /*
                 * Track max cost of a domain to make sure to not delay the
-                * next wakeup on the CPU.
+                * next wakeup on the CPU.  Also, cap this cost at the sched_migration
+                * sysctl, plus a little extra so we don't have to worry about off by 1s
                 */
-               sd->max_newidle_lb_cost = cost;
+               sd->max_newidle_lb_cost =
+                       min(cost, sysctl_sched_migration_cost + 200);
                sd->last_decay_max_lb_cost = jiffies;
        } else if (time_after(jiffies, sd->last_decay_max_lb_cost + HZ)) {
                /*
@@ -12867,7 +12869,13 @@ static int sched_balance_newidle(struct rq *this_rq, struct rq_flags *rf)

                        t1 = sched_clock_cpu(this_cpu);
                        domain_cost = t1 - t0;
-                       update_newidle_cost(sd, domain_cost);
+
+                       /* bump the newidle cost if balances aren't productive */
+                       if (!pulled_task)
+                               update_newidle_cost(sd,
+                               sd->max_newidle_lb_cost + sd->max_newidle_lb_cost / 2);
+                       else
+                               update_newidle_cost(sd, domain_cost);

                        curr_cost += domain_cost;
                        t0 = t1;

------- rq.drgn
#!/usr/bin/env drgn
from drgn import NULL, cast, container_of, execscript, reinterpret, sizeof
from drgn.helpers.linux import *

balance_sds = 0
nr_cpu_ids = prog["nr_cpu_ids"].value_()

for cpu in range(nr_cpu_ids):
    rq = per_cpu(prog["runqueues"], cpu)

    avg_idle = rq.avg_idle.value_()
    sd_ptr = per_cpu(prog["sd_llc"], cpu)

    level = 0

    sd = sd_ptr
    while sd:
        max_newidle_lb_cost = sd.max_newidle_lb_cost.value_()
        domain_name = ""
        if hasattr(sd, 'name') and sd.name:
            try:
                domain_name = sd.name.string_().decode('utf-8')
            except:
                domain_name = f"Level {level}"
        else:
            domain_name = f"Level {level}"

        print(f"CPU {cpu:3d} avg_idle:{avg_idle} name:{domain_name:4s} maxnewidle:{max_newidle_lb_cost}")

        # Move to parent domain
        sd = sd.parent
        level += 1
----------------------

Output:

CPU   0 avg_idle:1220213 name:MC   maxnewidle:0
CPU   0 avg_idle:1220213 name:PKG  maxnewidle:0
CPU   1 avg_idle:2966028 name:MC   maxnewidle:0
CPU   1 avg_idle:2966028 name:PKG  maxnewidle:0
CPU   2 avg_idle:1344908 name:MC   maxnewidle:0
CPU   2 avg_idle:1344908 name:PKG  maxnewidle:0
CPU   3 avg_idle:1520682 name:MC   maxnewidle:0
CPU   3 avg_idle:1520682 name:PKG  maxnewidle:0
CPU   4 avg_idle:2296 name:MC   maxnewidle:18102
CPU   4 avg_idle:2296 name:PKG  maxnewidle:11868
CPU   5 avg_idle:2256 name:MC   maxnewidle:11931
CPU   5 avg_idle:2256 name:PKG  maxnewidle:11931
CPU   6 avg_idle:2277 name:MC   maxnewidle:27442
CPU   6 avg_idle:2277 name:PKG  maxnewidle:27442
CPU   7 avg_idle:2039 name:MC   maxnewidle:18568
CPU   7 avg_idle:2039 name:PKG  maxnewidle:18568
CPU   8 avg_idle:2875 name:MC   maxnewidle:12368
CPU   8 avg_idle:2875 name:PKG  maxnewidle:8025
CPU   9 avg_idle:2730 name:MC   maxnewidle:18153
CPU   9 avg_idle:2730 name:PKG  maxnewidle:11785
CPU  10 avg_idle:2770 name:MC   maxnewidle:18780
CPU  10 avg_idle:2770 name:PKG  maxnewidle:12311
CPU  11 avg_idle:3311 name:MC   maxnewidle:11802
CPU  11 avg_idle:3311 name:PKG  maxnewidle:11802
CPU  12 avg_idle:3610 name:MC   maxnewidle:27446
CPU  12 avg_idle:3610 name:PKG  maxnewidle:18056
CPU  13 avg_idle:3632 name:MC   maxnewidle:28125
CPU  13 avg_idle:3632 name:PKG  maxnewidle:28125
CPU  14 avg_idle:4106 name:MC   maxnewidle:18369
CPU  14 avg_idle:4106 name:PKG  maxnewidle:12051
CPU  15 avg_idle:2600 name:MC   maxnewidle:12138
CPU  15 avg_idle:2600 name:PKG  maxnewidle:12138
CPU  16 avg_idle:144809 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  16 avg_idle:144809 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  17 avg_idle:1989775 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  17 avg_idle:1989775 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  18 avg_idle:830836 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  18 avg_idle:830836 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  19 avg_idle:2483294 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  19 avg_idle:2483294 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  20 avg_idle:192608 name:MC   maxnewidle:444573
CPU  20 avg_idle:192608 name:PKG  maxnewidle:444573
CPU  21 avg_idle:1309153 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  21 avg_idle:1309153 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  22 avg_idle:185294 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  22 avg_idle:185294 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  23 avg_idle:139949 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  23 avg_idle:139949 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  24 avg_idle:186589 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  24 avg_idle:186589 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  25 avg_idle:1582340 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  25 avg_idle:1582340 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  26 avg_idle:2966028 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  26 avg_idle:2966028 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  27 avg_idle:205108 name:MC   maxnewidle:494338
CPU  27 avg_idle:205108 name:PKG  maxnewidle:494338
CPU  28 avg_idle:2966028 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  28 avg_idle:2966028 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  29 avg_idle:2354397 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  29 avg_idle:2354397 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  30 avg_idle:289438 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  30 avg_idle:289438 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  31 avg_idle:122074 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  31 avg_idle:122074 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  32 avg_idle:1313865 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  32 avg_idle:1313865 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  33 avg_idle:353004 name:MC   maxnewidle:494338
CPU  33 avg_idle:353004 name:PKG  maxnewidle:494338
CPU  34 avg_idle:301310 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  34 avg_idle:301310 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  35 avg_idle:267552 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  35 avg_idle:267552 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  36 avg_idle:356823 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  36 avg_idle:356823 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  37 avg_idle:2966028 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  37 avg_idle:2966028 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  38 avg_idle:171526 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  38 avg_idle:171526 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  39 avg_idle:2966028 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  39 avg_idle:2966028 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  40 avg_idle:82075 name:MC   maxnewidle:488544
CPU  40 avg_idle:82075 name:PKG  maxnewidle:488544
CPU  41 avg_idle:348035 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  41 avg_idle:348035 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  42 avg_idle:2931264 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  42 avg_idle:2931264 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  43 avg_idle:153130 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  43 avg_idle:153130 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  44 avg_idle:113817 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  44 avg_idle:113817 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  45 avg_idle:309720 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  45 avg_idle:309720 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  46 avg_idle:176268 name:MC   maxnewidle:494338
CPU  46 avg_idle:176268 name:PKG  maxnewidle:494338
CPU  47 avg_idle:142664 name:MC   maxnewidle:488544
CPU  47 avg_idle:142664 name:PKG  maxnewidle:488544
CPU  48 avg_idle:1690262 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  48 avg_idle:1690262 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  49 avg_idle:829104 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  49 avg_idle:829104 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  50 avg_idle:153489 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  50 avg_idle:153489 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  51 avg_idle:2297489 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  51 avg_idle:2297489 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  52 avg_idle:115350 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  52 avg_idle:115350 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  53 avg_idle:2616757 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  53 avg_idle:2616757 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  54 avg_idle:167287 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  54 avg_idle:167287 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  55 avg_idle:141616 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  55 avg_idle:141616 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  56 avg_idle:1987543 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  56 avg_idle:1987543 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  57 avg_idle:982411 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  57 avg_idle:982411 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  58 avg_idle:149479 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  58 avg_idle:149479 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  59 avg_idle:182644 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  59 avg_idle:182644 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  60 avg_idle:121516 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  60 avg_idle:121516 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  61 avg_idle:74137 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  61 avg_idle:74137 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  62 avg_idle:949717 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  62 avg_idle:949717 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  63 avg_idle:1029923 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  63 avg_idle:1029923 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  64 avg_idle:110456 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  64 avg_idle:110456 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  65 avg_idle:167751 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  65 avg_idle:167751 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  66 avg_idle:111451 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  66 avg_idle:111451 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  67 avg_idle:179427 name:MC   maxnewidle:494338
CPU  67 avg_idle:179427 name:PKG  maxnewidle:494338
CPU  68 avg_idle:123710 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  68 avg_idle:123710 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  69 avg_idle:168850 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  69 avg_idle:168850 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  70 avg_idle:211844 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  70 avg_idle:211844 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  71 avg_idle:2298920 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  71 avg_idle:2298920 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  72 avg_idle:173488 name:MC   maxnewidle:488544
CPU  72 avg_idle:173488 name:PKG  maxnewidle:488544
CPU  73 avg_idle:309200 name:MC   maxnewidle:477159
CPU  73 avg_idle:309200 name:PKG  maxnewidle:477159
CPU  74 avg_idle:2862954 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  74 avg_idle:2862954 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  75 avg_idle:165485 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  75 avg_idle:165485 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  76 avg_idle:1126952 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  76 avg_idle:1126952 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  77 avg_idle:194514 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  77 avg_idle:194514 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  78 avg_idle:707066 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  78 avg_idle:707066 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  79 avg_idle:297014 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU  79 avg_idle:297014 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  80 avg_idle:182589 name:MC   maxnewidle:315837
CPU  80 avg_idle:182589 name:PKG  maxnewidle:315837
CPU  81 avg_idle:169244 name:MC   maxnewidle:434214
CPU  81 avg_idle:169244 name:PKG  maxnewidle:434214
CPU  82 avg_idle:88970 name:MC   maxnewidle:409359
CPU  82 avg_idle:88970 name:PKG  maxnewidle:409359
CPU  83 avg_idle:38676 name:MC   maxnewidle:347075
CPU  83 avg_idle:38676 name:PKG  maxnewidle:347075
CPU  84 avg_idle:52361 name:MC   maxnewidle:351191
CPU  84 avg_idle:52361 name:PKG  maxnewidle:351191
CPU  85 avg_idle:88990 name:MC   maxnewidle:0
CPU  85 avg_idle:88990 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU  86 avg_idle:75961 name:MC   maxnewidle:351191
CPU  86 avg_idle:75961 name:PKG  maxnewidle:351191
CPU  87 avg_idle:79392 name:MC   maxnewidle:471567
CPU  87 avg_idle:79392 name:PKG  maxnewidle:471567
CPU  88 avg_idle:83466 name:MC   maxnewidle:409359
CPU  88 avg_idle:83466 name:PKG  maxnewidle:409359
CPU  89 avg_idle:97452 name:MC   maxnewidle:372515
CPU  89 avg_idle:97452 name:PKG  maxnewidle:372515
CPU  90 avg_idle:33705 name:MC   maxnewidle:424096
CPU  90 avg_idle:33705 name:PKG  maxnewidle:424096
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CPU 102 avg_idle:171278 name:PKG  maxnewidle:449845
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CPU 118 avg_idle:2966028 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU 118 avg_idle:2966028 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU 119 avg_idle:2829402 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU 119 avg_idle:2829402 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
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CPU 120 avg_idle:2862954 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
CPU 121 avg_idle:2966028 name:MC   maxnewidle:500200
CPU 121 avg_idle:2966028 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
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CPU 122 avg_idle:157259 name:PKG  maxnewidle:500200
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