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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 14:49:43 +1000
From: Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@....com>
To: Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@...gle.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 04/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce
 KVM_GMEM_CONVERT_SHARED/PRIVATE ioctls



On 25/6/25 00:10, Vishal Annapurve wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 6:08 AM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 06:23:54PM +1000, Alexey Kardashevskiy wrote:
>>
>>> Now, I am rebasing my RFC on top of this patchset and it fails in
>>> kvm_gmem_has_safe_refcount() as IOMMU holds references to all these
>>> folios in my RFC.
>>>
>>> So what is the expected sequence here? The userspace unmaps a DMA
>>> page and maps it back right away, all from the userspace? The end
>>> result will be the exactly same which seems useless. And IOMMU TLB
> 
>   As Jason described, ideally IOMMU just like KVM, should just:
> 1) Directly rely on guest_memfd for pinning -> no page refcounts taken
> by IOMMU stack
> 2) Directly query pfns from guest_memfd for both shared/private ranges
> 3) Implement an invalidation callback that guest_memfd can invoke on
> conversions.
> 
> Current flow:
> Private to Shared conversion via kvm_gmem_convert_range() -
>      1) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_invalidate_begin() for the ranges
> on each bound memslot overlapping with the range
>           -> KVM has the concept of invalidation_begin() and end(),
> which effectively ensures that between these function calls, no new
> EPT/NPT entries can be added for the range.
>       2) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_convert_should_proceed() which
> actually unmaps the KVM SEPT/NPT entries.
>       3) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_execute_work() which updates the
> shareability and then splits the folios if needed
> 
> Shared to private conversion via kvm_gmem_convert_range() -
>      1) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_invalidate_begin() for the ranges
> on each bound memslot overlapping with the range
>       2) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_convert_should_proceed() which
> actually unmaps the host mappings which will unmap the KVM non-seucure
> EPT/NPT entries.
>       3) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_execute_work() which updates the
> shareability and then merges the folios if needed.
> 
> ============================
> 
> For IOMMU, could something like below work?
> 
> * A new UAPI to bind IOMMU FDs with guest_memfd ranges

Done that.

> * VFIO_DMA_MAP/UNMAP operations modified to directly fetch pfns from
> guest_memfd ranges using kvm_gmem_get_pfn()

This API imho should drop the confusing kvm_ prefix.

>      -> kvm invokes kvm_gmem_is_private() to check for the range
> shareability, IOMMU could use the same or we could add an API in gmem
> that takes in access type and checks the shareability before returning
> the pfn.

Right now I cutnpasted kvm_gmem_get_folio() (which essentially is filemap_lock_folio()/filemap_alloc_folio()/__filemap_add_folio()) to avoid new links between iommufd.ko and kvm.ko. It is probably unavoidable though.


> * IOMMU stack exposes an invalidation callback that can be invoked by
> guest_memfd.
> 
> Private to Shared conversion via kvm_gmem_convert_range() -
>      1) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_invalidate_begin() for the ranges
> on each bound memslot overlapping with the range
>       2) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_convert_should_proceed() which
> actually unmaps the KVM SEPT/NPT entries.
>             -> guest_memfd invokes IOMMU invalidation callback to zap
> the secure IOMMU entries.
>       3) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_execute_work() which updates the
> shareability and then splits the folios if needed
>       4) Userspace invokes IOMMU map operation to map the ranges in
> non-secure IOMMU.
> 
> Shared to private conversion via kvm_gmem_convert_range() -
>      1) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_invalidate_begin() for the ranges
> on each bound memslot overlapping with the range
>       2) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_convert_should_proceed() which
> actually unmaps the host mappings which will unmap the KVM non-seucure
> EPT/NPT entries.
>           -> guest_memfd invokes IOMMU invalidation callback to zap the
> non-secure IOMMU entries.
>       3) guest_memfd invokes kvm_gmem_execute_work() which updates the
> shareability and then merges the folios if needed.
>       4) Userspace invokes IOMMU map operation to map the ranges in secure IOMMU.


Alright (although this zap+map is not necessary on the AMD hw).


> There should be a way to block external IOMMU pagetable updates while
> guest_memfd is performing conversion e.g. something like
> kvm_invalidate_begin()/end().
> 
>>> is going to be flushed on a page conversion anyway (the RMPUPDATE
>>> instruction does that). All this is about AMD's x86 though.
>>
>> The iommu should not be using the VMA to manage the mapping. It should
> 
> +1.

Yeah, not doing this already, because I physically cannot map gmemfd's memory in IOMMU via VMA (which allocates memory via gup() so wrong memory is mapped in IOMMU). Thanks,


>> be directly linked to the guestmemfd in some way that does not disturb
>> its operations. I imagine there would be some kind of invalidation
>> callback directly to the iommu.
>>
>> Presumably that invalidation call back can include a reason for the
>> invalidation (addr change, shared/private conversion, etc)
>>
>> I'm not sure how we will figure out which case is which but guestmemfd
>> should allow the iommu to plug in either invalidation scheme..
>>
>> Probably invalidation should be a global to the FD thing, I imagine
>> that once invalidation is established the iommu will not be
>> incrementing page refcounts.
> 
> +1.

Alright. Thanks for the comments.

> 
>>
>> Jason

-- 
Alexey

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