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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2025 11:55:05 -0400
From: Zi Yan <ziy@...dia.com>
To: Pankaj Raghav <kernel@...kajraghav.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] add static PMD zero page support

On 9 Jul 2025, at 4:03, Pankaj Raghav wrote:

> Hi Zi,
>
>>> Add a config option STATIC_PMD_ZERO_PAGE that will always allocate the huge_zero_folio via
>>> memblock, and it will never be freed.
>>
>> Do the above users want a PMD sized zero page or a 2MB zero page? Because on systems with non
>> 4KB base page size, e.g., ARM64 with 64KB base page, PMD size is different. ARM64 with 64KB base
>> page has 512MB PMD sized pages. Having STATIC_PMD_ZERO_PAGE means losing half GB memory. I am
>> not sure if it is acceptable.
>>
>
> That is a good point. My intial RFC patches allocated 2M instead of a PMD sized
> page.
>
> But later David wanted to reuse the memory we allocate here with huge_zero_folio. So
> if this config is enabled, we simply just use the same pointer for huge_zero_folio.
>
> Since that happened, I decided to go with PMD sized page.

Got it. Thank you for the explanation. This means for your use cases
2MB is big enough. For those arch which have PMD > 2MB, ideally,
a 2MB zero mTHP should be used. Thinking about this feature long term,
I wonder what we should do to support arch with PMD > 2MB. Make
the static huge zero page size a boot time parameter?

>
> This config is still opt in and I would expect the users with 64k page size systems to not enable
> this.
>
> But to make sure we don't enable this for those architecture, I could do a per-arch opt in with
> something like this[1] that I did in my previous patch:
>
> diff --git a/arch/x86/Kconfig b/arch/x86/Kconfig
> index 340e5468980e..c3a9d136ec0a 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/x86/Kconfig
> @@ -153,6 +153,7 @@ config X86
>  	select ARCH_WANT_OPTIMIZE_HUGETLB_VMEMMAP	if X86_64
>  	select ARCH_WANT_HUGETLB_VMEMMAP_PREINIT if X86_64
>  	select ARCH_WANTS_THP_SWAP		if X86_64
> +	select ARCH_HAS_STATIC_PMD_ZERO_PAGE	if X86_64
>  	select ARCH_HAS_PARANOID_L1D_FLUSH
>  	select ARCH_WANT_IRQS_OFF_ACTIVATE_MM
>  	select BUILDTIME_TABLE_SORT
>
>
> diff --git a/mm/Kconfig b/mm/Kconfig
> index 781be3240e21..fd1c51995029 100644
> --- a/mm/Kconfig
> +++ b/mm/Kconfig
> @@ -826,6 +826,19 @@ config ARCH_WANTS_THP_SWAP
>  config MM_ID
>  	def_bool n
>
> +config ARCH_HAS_STATIC_PMD_ZERO_PAGE
> +	def_bool n
> +
> +config STATIC_PMD_ZERO_PAGE
> +	bool "Allocate a PMD page for zeroing"
> +	depends on ARCH_HAS_STATIC_PMD_ZERO_PAGE
> <snip>
>
> Let me know your thoughts.

Sounds good to me, since without STATIC_PMD_ZERO_PAGE, when THP is enabled,
the use cases you mentioned are still able to use the THP zero page.

Thanks.

>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20250612105100.59144-4-p.raghav@samsung.com/#Z31mm:Kconfig
> --
> Pankaj


Best Regards,
Yan, Zi

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