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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 18:18:17 +0800
From: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@...nel.org>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
Cc: Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@...ngson.cn>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, 
	linux-mm@...ck.org, Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>, 
	Christian Brauner <brauner@...nel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, 
	stable@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] init: Handle bootloader head in kernel parameters

On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 5:35 PM Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 05:11:20PM +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 4:30 PM Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 11:18:44PM +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 9:04 PM Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 08:51:28PM +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 8:41 PM Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 08:34:25PM +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi, Greg,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 7:06 PM Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 06:24:55PM +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > BootLoader may pass a head such as "BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-x.y.z" to
> > > > > > > > > > kernel parameters. But this head is not recognized by the kernel so will
> > > > > > > > > > be passed to user space. However, user space init program also doesn't
> > > > > > > > > > recognized it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Then why is it on the kernel command line if it is not recognized?
> > > > > > > > UEFI put it at the beginning of the command line, you can see it from
> > > > > > > > /proc/cmdline, both on x86 and LoongArch.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then fix UEFI :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My boot command line doesn't have that on x86, perhaps you need to fix
> > > > > > > your bootloader?
> > > > > > Not only UEFI, Grub also do this, for many years, not now. I don't
> > > > > > know why they do this, but I think at least it is not a bug. For
> > > > > > example, maybe it just tells user the path of kernel image via
> > > > > > /proc/cmdline.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [chenhuacai@...nelserver linux-official.git]$ uname -a
> > > > > > Linux kernelserver 6.12.0-84.el10.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue
> > > > > > May 13 13:39:02 UTC 2025 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> > > > > > [chenhuacai@...nelserver linux-official.git]$ cat /proc/cmdline
> > > > > > BOOT_IMAGE=(hd0,gpt2)/vmlinuz-6.12.0-84.el10.x86_64
> > > > > > root=UUID=c8fcb11a-0f2f-48e5-a067-4cec1d18a721 ro
> > > > > > crashkernel=2G-64G:256M,64G-:512M
> > > > > > resume=UUID=1c320fec-3274-4b5b-9adf-a06
> > > > > > 42e7943c0 rhgb quiet
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds like a bootloader bug:
> > > > >
> > > > > $ cat /proc/cmdline
> > > > > root=/dev/sda2 rw
> > > > >
> > > > > I suggest fixing the issue there, at the root please.
> > > > Grub pass BOOT_IMAGE for all EFI-based implementations, related commits of Grub:
> > > > https://cgit.git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/commit/?id=16ccb8b138218d56875051d547af84410d18f9aa
> > > > https://cgit.git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/commit/?id=25953e10553dad2e378541a68686fc094603ec54
> > >
> > > From 2005 and 2011?  Why have we not had any reports of this being an
> > > issue before now?  What changed in the kernel recently?
> > As said before, just in some corner cases it causes problems, but
> > corner case doesn't means nothing.
> >
> > >
> > > > Linux kernel treats BOOT_IMAGE as an "offender" of unknown command
> > > > line parameters, related commits of kernel:
> > > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=86d1919a4fb0d9c115dd1d3b969f5d1650e45408
> > >
> > > So in 2021 we started printing out command line arguments that were
> > > "wrong", so is this when everyone noticed that grub was wrong?
> > Somebody may think a warning is harmless, somebody thinks a warning
> > means a problem needs to fix.
>
> Great, then fix it in grub to not do this :)
>
> Are we supposed to paper over the bugs in all bootloaders?  Especially
> for ones that we have the source to?
>
> > > > There are user space projects that search BOOT_IMAGE from /proc/cmdline:
> > > > https://github.com/linuxdeepin/deepin-ab-recovery/blob/master/util.go
> > > > (search getBootOptions)
> > > > https://github.com/linuxdeepin/deepin-ab-recovery/blob/master/main.go
> > > > (search getKernelReleaseWithBootOption)
> > >
> > > What does it use these options for that it can't get from the valid ones
> > > instead?
> > Some projects have fallback methods, some projects don't work, but at
> > least this means some user space programs depend on it already.
> >
> > >
> > > > So, we can say Grub pass BOOT_IMAGE is reasonable and there are user
> > > > space programs that hope it be in /proc/cmdline.
> > >
> > > But who relies on this that never noticed the kernel complaining about
> > > it for the past 4 years?
> > So If I'm the first man who notices this and wants to improve
> > something, then it is my mistake?
>
> No, not at all, I'm saying to fix the root problem here please.  And
> that root problem is grub adding stuff that causes warnings in Linux to
> happen.  Why is this Linux's issue to handle?
As I said before:

Corner cases have had problems since 2005, and just because they are
corner cases, they are not noticed by everyone. But once they are
noticed, they need to be fixed. And we cannot change Grub (LILO do the
same thing) now, because user space relies on it already.

>
> thanks,
>
> greg k-h

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