linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] media: imon: make send

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Message-ID: <aHa3xpKfGNqAocIO@gofer.mess.org>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 21:19:18 +0100
From: Sean Young <sean@...s.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
Cc: Hillf Danton <hdanton@...a.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@...ove.sakura.ne.jp>,
	syzbot+592e2ab8775dbe0bf09a@...kaller.appspotmail.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] media: imon: make send_packet() more robust

Hi Alan,

On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 11:21:24AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 04:11:47PM +0800, Hillf Danton wrote:
> > [loop Alan in]
> 
> I assume you're interested in the question of when to avoid resubmitting 
> URBs.
> 
> > On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 16:50:08 +0900 Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> > > syzbot is reporting that imon has three problems which result in hung tasks
> > > due to forever holding device lock.
> > > 
> > > First problem is that when usb_rx_callback_intf0() once got -EPROTO error
> > > after ictx->dev_present_intf0 became true, usb_rx_callback_intf0()
> > > resubmits urb after printk(), and resubmitted urb causes
> > > usb_rx_callback_intf0() to again get -EPROTO error. This results in
> > > printk() flooding (RCU stalls).
> > > 
> > > Commit 92f461517d22 ("media: ir_toy: do not resubmit broken urb") changed
> > > ir_toy module not to resubmit when irtoy_in_callback() got -EPROTO error.
> > > We should do similar thing for imon.
> > > 
> > > Basically, I think that imon should refrain from resubmitting urb when
> > > callback function got an error. But since I don't know which error codes
> > > should retry resubmitting urb, this patch handles only union of error codes
> > > chosen from modules in drivers/media/rc/ directory which handles -EPROTO
> > > error (i.e. ir_toy, mceusb and igorplugusb).
> 
> In theory it's okay to resubmit _if_ the driver has a robust 
> error-recovery scheme (such as giving up after some fixed limit on the 
> number of errors or after some fixed time has elapsed, perhaps with a 
> time delay to prevent a flood of errors).  Most drivers don't bother to 
> do this; they simply give up right away.  This makes them more 
> vulnerable to short-term noise interference during USB transfers, but in 
> reality such interference is quite rare.  There's nothing really wrong 
> with giving up right away.
> 
> As to which error codes drivers should pay attention to...  In most 
> cases they only look at -EPROTO.  According to 
> Documentation/driver-api/usb/error-codes.rst, -EILSEQ and -ETIME are 
> also possible errors when a device has been unplugged, so it wouldn't 
> hurt to check for them too.  But most host controller drivers don't 
> bother to issue them; -EPROTO is by far the most common error code 
> following an unplug.

Thank you for explaining that, very helpful. Would it be useful to have
this in the USB completion handler documentation?

> > > We need to decide whether to call usb_unlink_urb() when we got -EPROTO
> > > error. ir_toy and mceusb call usb_unlink_urb() but igorplugusb does not
> > > due to commit 5e4029056263 ("media: igorplugusb: remove superfluous
> > > usb_unlink_urb()"). This patch calls usb_unlink_urb() because description
> > > of usb_unlink_urb() suggests that it is OK to call.
> 
> If the error occurred because the device was unplugged then unlinking 
> the outstanding URBs isn't necessary; the USB core will unlink them for 
> you after the device's parent hub reports that the unplug took place.

Are you saying there is a case when usb_unlink_urb() is necessary: if the
device was not unplugged and -EPROTO is reported?

> > > Second problem is that when usb_rx_callback_intf0() once got -EPROTO error
> > > before ictx->dev_present_intf0 becomes true, usb_rx_callback_intf0() always
> > > resubmits urb due to commit 8791d63af0cf ("[media] imon: don't wedge
> > > hardware after early callbacks"). If some errors should stop resubmitting
> > > urb regardless of whether configuring the hardware has completed or not,
> > > what that commit is doing is wrong. The ictx->dev_present_intf0 test was
> > > introduced by commit 6f6b90c9231a ("[media] imon: don't parse scancodes
> > > until intf configured"), but that commit did not call usb_unlink_urb()
> > > when usb_rx_callback_intf0() got an error. Move the ictx->dev_present_intf0
> > > test to immediately before imon_incoming_packet() so that we can call
> > > usb_unlink_urb() as needed, or the first problem explained above happens
> > > without printk() flooding (i.e. hung task).
> 
> It seems odd for a driver to set up normal communications with a device 
> before the device has been configured, but of course that decision is up 
> to the creators and maintainers of the driver.

The usb device has two interfaces, and we need both of them before we can
do anything useful. Badly designed hardware.

I think that is why this driver code is so awkward.


Sean