linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 07/10] perf: arm_spe: Add support for filtering on data source

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Message-ID: <aHkWTlaRKdXbnA0r@willie-the-truck>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 16:27:10 +0100
From: Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>
To: James Clark <james.clark@...aro.org>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/10] perf: arm_spe: Add support for filtering on
 data source

On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 04:16:32PM +0100, James Clark wrote:
> 
> 
> On 17/07/2025 3:29 pm, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 02:04:18PM +0100, James Clark wrote:
> > > On 14/07/2025 3:04 pm, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jun 05, 2025 at 11:49:05AM +0100, James Clark wrote:
> > > > > @@ -406,6 +416,9 @@ static u64 arm_spe_event_to_pmsfcr(struct perf_event *event)
> > > > >    	if (ATTR_CFG_GET_FLD(attr, inv_event_filter))
> > > > >    		reg |= PMSFCR_EL1_FnE;
> > > > > +	if (ATTR_CFG_GET_FLD(attr, data_src_filter))
> > > > > +		reg |= PMSFCR_EL1_FDS;
> > > > 
> > > > Is the polarity correct here? The description of PMSDSFR_EL1.S<m> suggests
> > > > that setting bits to 1 _excludes_ the FDS filtering.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Setting filter bits to 1 means that samples matching are included. Setting
> > > bits to 0 means that they are excluded. And PMSFCR_EL1.FDS enables filtering
> > > as a whole, so if the user sets any filter bit to 1 we want to enable
> > > filtering:
> > > 
> > >    PMSDSFR_EL1.S<m>
> > > 
> > >    0b0  If PMSFCR_EL1.FDS is 1, do not record load operations that have
> > >         bits [5:0] of the Data Source packet set to <m>.
> > > 
> > >    0b1  Load operations with Data Source <m> are unaffected by
> > >         PMSFCR_EL1.FDS.
> > > 
> > > I think it's all the right way around and it ends up being the same as the
> > > other filters in SPE. Because we're using any bit being set to enable the
> > > filtering, the only thing you can't do is enable filtering with a 0 filter,
> > > but I didn't think that was useful. See the previous discussion on this
> > > here:
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/all/5752f039-51c1-4452-b5df-03ff06da7be3@linaro.org/
> > > 
> > > Reading the "Data source filtering" section in the docs change at the end
> > > might help too.
> > 
> > Sorry, but I still don't get it :/
> > 
> > afaict, if any of the bits in 'data_src_filter' are _zero_ then we
> > should set PMSFCR_EL1.FDS. That also means that a mask of zero means all
> > loads are filtered, which is what the architecture says and is what we
> > should provide to userspace.
> > 
> > Will
> 
> We'd have to add another format flag to enable data source filtering then,
> because otherwise the default would be zero and people's samples would
> disappear.
> 
> But the only use cases I could think of were more like "I want to see
> samples from data source 1":
> 
>   -e arm_spe/data_src_filter=0x1/
> 
> Or "I want to see all data sources except 1":
> 
>   -e arm_spe/data_src_filter=0xfffffffe/
> 
> Filtering out all samples with any data source didn't seem to make sense to
> me, and I think you can already do that with the other filters (remove loads
> etc).
> 
> It would be a shame to be inconsistent and to add an enable flag just for
> that one case because the other filters in SPE are auto enabled for non-zero
> values. Although to be fair for PMSFCR.FT and others, zero filters are
> explicitly not allowed:
> 
>   If this field is set to 1 and the PMSFCR_EL1.{ST, LD, B} bits are all
>   set to zero, it is CONSTRAINED UNPREDICTABLE whether no samples are
>   recorded or the PE behaves as if PMSFCR_EL1.FT is set to 0
> 
> Seems like FDS doesn't end up as neat as the others, but IMO I can't see
> anyone needing a zero filter. I did discuss it with Leo and we decided that
> we could always add the enable flag at a later date if a use case turned up
> and it wouldn't be a breaking change.
> 
> But if you think it's there so it should be exposed I can add it.

What about if we expose the inverse of PMSDSFR_EL1 to userspace instead?

Will