linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Expose SEAMLDR information via sysfs

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Message-ID: <6891826bbbe79_cff99100f7@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2025 21:02:51 -0700
From: <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>, <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
CC: Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@...ux.intel.com>, Chao Gao <chao.gao@...el.com>,
	<linux-coco@...ts.linux.dev>, <x86@...nel.org>, <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
	<pbonzini@...hat.com>, <eddie.dong@...el.com>, <kirill.shutemov@...el.com>,
	<dave.hansen@...el.com>, <kai.huang@...el.com>, <isaku.yamahata@...el.com>,
	<elena.reshetova@...el.com>, <rick.p.edgecombe@...el.com>, Farrah Chen
	<farrah.chen@...el.com>, "Kirill A. Shutemov"
	<kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	<linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Expose SEAMLDR information via
 sysfs

Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2025, dan.j.williams@...el.com wrote:
> > Xu Yilun wrote:
> > > So my idea is to remove tdx_tsm device (thus disables tdx_tsm driver) on
> > > vmxoff.
> > > 
> > >   KVM                TDX core            TDX TSM driver
> > >   -----------------------------------------------------
> > >   tdx_disable()
> > >                      tdx_tsm dev del
> > >                                          driver.remove()
> > >   vmxoff()
> > > 
> > > An alternative is to move vmxon/off management out of KVM, that requires
> > > a lot of complex work IMHO, Chao & I both prefer not to touch it.
> 
> Eh, it's complex, but not _that_ complex.
> 
> > It is fine to require that vmxon/off management remain within KVM, and
> > tie the lifetime of the device to the lifetime of the kvm_intel module*.
> 
> Nah, let's do this right.  Speaking from experience; horrible, make-your-eyes-bleed
> experience; playing games with kvm-intel.ko to try to get and keep CPUs post-VMXON
> will end in tears.
> 
> And it's not just TDX-feature-of-the-day that needs VMXON to be handled outside
> of KVM, I'd also like to do so to allow out-of-tree hypervisors to do the "right
> thing"[*].  Not because I care deeply about out-of-tree hypervisors, but because
> the lack of proper infrastructure for utilizing virtualization hardware irks me.
> 
> The basic gist is to extract system-wide resources out of KVM and into a separate
> module, so that e.g. tdx_tsm or whatever can take a dependency on _that_ module
> and elevate refcounts as needed.  All things considered, there aren't so many
> system-wide resources that it's an insurmountable task.
>
> I can provide some rough patches to kickstart things.  It'll probably take me a
> few weeks to extract them from an old internal branch, and I can't promise they'll
> compile.  But they should be good enough to serve as an RFC.
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZwQjUSOle6sWARsr@google.com

Sounds reasonable to me.

Not clear on how it impacts tdx_tsm implementation. The lifetime of this
tdx_tsm device can still be bound by tdx_enable() / tdx_cleanup(). The
refactor removes the need for the autoprobe hack below. It may also
preclude async vmxoff cases by pinning? Or does pinning still not solve
the reasons for bouncing vmx on suspend/shutdown?

> > * It would be unfortunate if userspace needed to manually probe for TDX
> >   Connect when KVM is not built-in. We might add a simple module that
> >   requests kvm_intel in that case:
> 
> Oh hell no :-)
> 
> We have internal code that "requests" vendor module, and it might just be my least
> favorite thing.  Juggling the locks and module lifetimes is just /shudder.

Oh, indeed, if there were locks and lifetime entanglements with
kvm_intel involved then it would indeed be a mess. Effectively this was
just looking for somewhere to drop a MODULE_SOFTDEP() since there is no
good way to autoload "TEE I/O" for TDX.

However, that indeed gets dropped / simpler if all of TDX's system-wide
bits can just autoprobe and light up features without needing to load
all of kvm.