linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: management-style: Reword "had better known the details" phrase

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 15:49:49 +0200
From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@...nel.org>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>
Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@...nel.org>, 
	Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@...il.com>, Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, 
	Linux Documentation <linux-doc@...r.kernel.org>, Linux Kernel Workflows <workflows@...r.kernel.org>, 
	Jonathan Neuschäfer <j.neuschaefer@....net>, Fox Foster <fox@...dis.ed.ac.uk>, 
	Federico Vaga <federico.vaga@...a.pv.it>, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...radead.org>, 
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@...b.auug.org.au>, Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@...uxfoundation.org>, 
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: management-style: Reword "had better
 known the details" phrase

On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 07:05:27AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@...nel.org> writes:
> 
> >> But neither of those say the same thing.  Read "had better know" as
> >> "really should know" and you get a lot closer.  I guess I didn't realize
> >> that it was such a strange construction.
> >
> > I bet very few non-native English speaker developers would understand it
> > like that.
> 
> Even though a non-native developer wrote it :)

:-) 

Well, I suppose that non-natives raising kids in US would use this a lot,
as, from the examples I saw about such usage, it sounds to me exactly
the kind of language that parents would say a lot to their sibilings ;-)

> We can tweak it, but I'd rather not change the meaning,

Sure. 

> and, more to the
> point, that document needs significant work rather than low-level
> tweaking.

Fully agreed. Seeking it at historic tree, the original text was
written on 2004. Surely management style changed a little bit over
all those years ;-)

Thanks,
Mauro