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Message-ID: <20250827115247.GD1603531@mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 07:52:47 -0400
From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>
To: Alexander Monakov <amonakov@...ras.ru>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
        Christian Brauner <brauner@...nel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ETXTBSY window in __fput

On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 10:22:14AM +0300, Alexander Monakov wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2025, Al Viro wrote:
> 
> > Egads...  Let me get it straight - you have a bunch of threads sharing descriptor
> > tables and some of them are forking (or cloning without shared descriptor tables)
> > while that is going on?
> 
> I suppose if they could start a new process in a more straightforward manner,
> they would. But you cannot start a new process without fork. Anyway, I'm but
> a messenger here: the problem has been hit by various people in the Go community
> (and by Go team itself, at least twice). Here I'm asking about a potential
> shortcoming in __fput that exacerbates the problem.

I'm assuming that the problem is showing up in real life when users
run a go problem using "go run" where the golang compiler freshly
writes the executable, and then fork/exec's the binary.  And using
multiple threads sharing descriptor tables was just to make a reliable
reproducer?

						- Ted

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