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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2025 21:24:25 +0530
From: Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@...nel.org>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>
Cc: Claudiu Beznea <claudiu.beznea@...on.dev>, bhelgaas@...gle.com, 
	lpieralisi@...nel.org, kwilczynski@...nel.org, robh@...nel.org, krzk+dt@...nel.org, 
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	mturquette@...libre.com, sboyd@...nel.org, p.zabel@...gutronix.de, lizhi.hou@....com, 
	linux-pci@...r.kernel.org, linux-renesas-soc@...r.kernel.org, devicetree@...r.kernel.org, 
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-clk@...r.kernel.org, 
	Claudiu Beznea <claudiu.beznea.uj@...renesas.com>, Wolfram Sang <wsa+renesas@...g-engineering.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 5/9] PCI: rzg3s-host: Add Initial PCIe Host Driver for
 Renesas RZ/G3S SoC

On Mon, Sep 01, 2025 at 04:22:16PM GMT, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> Hi Mani,
> 
> On Mon, 1 Sept 2025 at 16:04, Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@...nel.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 01, 2025 at 11:25:30AM GMT, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 at 06:07, Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 02:22:45PM GMT, Claudiu Beznea wrote:
> > > > > On 30.08.2025 09:59, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Jul 04, 2025 at 07:14:05PM GMT, Claudiu wrote:
> > > > > >> From: Claudiu Beznea <claudiu.beznea.uj@...renesas.com>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The Renesas RZ/G3S features a PCIe IP that complies with the PCI Express
> > > > > >> Base Specification 4.0 and supports speeds of up to 5 GT/s. It functions
> > > > > >> only as a root complex, with a single-lane (x1) configuration. The
> > > > > >> controller includes Type 1 configuration registers, as well as IP
> > > > > >> specific registers (called AXI registers) required for various adjustments.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hardware manual can be downloaded from the address in the "Link" section.
> > > > > >> The following steps should be followed to access the manual:
> > > > > >> 1/ Click the "User Manual" button
> > > > > >> 2/ Click "Confirm"; this will start downloading an archive
> > > > > >> 3/ Open the downloaded archive
> > > > > >> 4/ Navigate to r01uh1014ej*-rzg3s-users-manual-hardware -> Deliverables
> > > > > >> 5/ Open the file r01uh1014ej*-rzg3s.pdf
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Link: https://www.renesas.com/en/products/rz-g3s?queryID=695cc067c2d89e3f271d43656ede4d12
> > > > > >> Tested-by: Wolfram Sang <wsa+renesas@...g-engineering.com>
> > > > > >> Signed-off-by: Claudiu Beznea <claudiu.beznea.uj@...renesas.com>
> > >
> > > > > >> +  ret = pm_runtime_resume_and_get(dev);
> > > > > >> +  if (ret)
> > > > > >> +          return ret;
> > > > > >> +
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you really need to do resume_and_get()? If not, you should do:
> > > > >
> > > > > It it's needed to enable the clock PM domain the device is part of.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've replied below.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     pm_runtime_set_active()
> > > > > >     pm_runtime_no_callbacks()
> > > > > >     devm_pm_runtime_enable()
> > >
> > > > > >> +static int rzg3s_pcie_suspend_noirq(struct device *dev)
> > > > > >> +{
> > > > > >> +  struct rzg3s_pcie_host *host = dev_get_drvdata(dev);
> > > > > >> +  const struct rzg3s_pcie_soc_data *data = host->data;
> > > > > >> +  struct regmap *sysc = host->sysc;
> > > > > >> +  int ret;
> > > > > >> +
> > > > > >> +  ret = pm_runtime_put_sync(dev);
> > > > > >> +  if (ret)
> > > > > >> +          return ret;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since there are no runtime callbacks present, managing runtime PM in the driver
> > > > > > makes no sense.
> > > > >
> > > > > The PCIe device is part of a clock power domain. Dropping
> > > > > pm_runtime_enable()/pm_runtime_put_sync() in this driver will lead to this
> > > > > IP failing to work as its clocks will not be enabled/disabled. If you don't
> > > > > like the pm_runtime_* approach that could be replaced with:
> > > > >
> > > > > devm_clk_get_enabled() in probe and clk_disable()/clk_enable() on
> > > > > suspend/resume. W/o clocks the IP can't work.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you should explicitly handle clocks in the driver. Runtime PM makes sense
> > > > if you have a power domain attached to the IP, which you also do as I see now.
> > > > So to conclude, you should enable/disable the clocks explicitly for managing
> > > > clocks and use runtime PM APIs for managing the power domain associated with
> > > > clock controller.
> > >
> > > Why? For the past decade, we've been trying to get rid of explicit
> > > module clock handling for all devices that are always part of a
> > > clock domain.
> > >
> > > The Linux PM Domain abstraction is meant for both power and clock
> > > domains.  This is especially useful when a device is present on multiple
> > > SoCs, on some also part of a power domain,  and the number of module
> > > clocks that needs to be enabled for it to function is not the same on
> > > all SoCs.  In such cases, the PM Domain abstraction takes care of many
> > > of the integration-specific differences.
> >
> > Hmm, my understanding was that we need to explicitly handle clocks from the
> > consumer drivers. But that maybe because, the client drivers I've dealt with
> > requires configuring the clocks (like setting the rate, re-parenting etc...) on
> > their own. But if there is no such requirement, then I guess it is OK to rely on
> > the PM core and clock controller drivers.
> 
> When you need to know the actual clock rate, or change it, you
> indeed have to handle the clock explicitly.  But it still may be enabled
> automatically through the clock domain.
> 

Yeah!

> > > > But please add a comment above pm_runtime_resume_and_get() to make it clear as
> > > > most of the controller drivers are calling it for no reason.
> > >
> > > Note that any child device that uses Runtime PM depends on all
> > > its parents in the hierarchy to call pm_runtime_enable() and
> > > pm_runtime_resume_and_get().
> >
> > Two things to note from your statement:
> >
> > 1. 'child device that uses runtime PM' - Not all child drivers are doing
> > runtime PM on their own. So there is no need to do pm_runtime_resume_and_get()
> > unless they depend on the parent for resource enablement as below.
> 
> It indeed depends on the child device, and on the bus.  For e.g. an
> Ethernet controller connected to a simple SoC expansion bus, the bus must
> be powered and clock, which is what "simple-pm-bus" takes care of
> ("simple-bus" does not).
> 

Right. But most of the PCI controller drivers call pm_runtime_resume_and_get()
for no good reasons. They might have just copied the code from a driver that did
it on purpose. So I tend to scrutinize these calls whenever they get added for a
driver.

- Mani

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