linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] riscv: Add Zalasr ISA extension support

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2025 00:57:21 -0400
From: Guo Ren <guoren@...nel.org>
To: Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] riscv: Add Zalasr ISA extension support

On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 12:01:34AM -0400, Guo Ren wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 02, 2025 at 06:59:15PM +0200, Andrea Parri wrote:
> > > Xu Lu (4):
> > >   riscv: add ISA extension parsing for Zalasr
> > >   dt-bindings: riscv: Add Zalasr ISA extension description
> > >   riscv: Instroduce Zalasr instructions
> > >   riscv: Use Zalasr for smp_load_acquire/smp_store_release
> > 
> > Informally put, our (Linux) memory consistency model specifies that any
> > sequence
> > 
> >   spin_unlock(s);
> >   spin_lock(t);
> > 
> > behaves "as it provides at least FENCE.TSO ordering between operations
> > which precede the UNLOCK+LOCK sequence and operations which follow the
> > sequence".  Unless I missing something, the patch set in question breaks
> > such ordering property (on RISC-V): for example, a "release" annotation,
> > .RL (as in spin_unlock() -> smp_store_release(), after patch #4) paired
> > with an "acquire" fence, FENCE R,RW (as could be found in spin_lock() ->
> > atomic_try_cmpxchg_acquire()) do not provide the specified property.
> > 
> > I _think some solutions to the issue above include:
> > 
> >  a) make sure an .RL annotation is always paired with an .AQ annotation
> >     and viceversa an .AQ annotation is paired with an .RL annotation
> >     (this approach matches the current arm64 approach/implementation);
> > 
> >  b) on the opposite direction, always pair FENCE R,RW (or occasionally
> >     FENCE R,R) with FENCE RW,W (this matches the current approach/the
> >     current implementation within riscv);
> > 
> >  c) mix the previous two solutions (resp., annotations and fences), but
> >     make sure to "upgrade" any releases to provide (insert) a FENCE.TSO.
> I prefer option c) at first, it has fewer modification and influence.
> 
> asm volatile(ALTERNATIVE("fence rw, w;\t\nsb %0, 0(%1)\t\n",	\
> -			  SB_RL(%0, %1) "\t\nnop\t\n",		\
> +			  SB_RL(%0, %1) "\t\n fence.tso;\t\n",	\
			   "fence rw, rw;\t\nsb %0, 0(%1)\t\n",	\
How about enhance fence rw, rw? It's a bit more stronger than .tso.

 			  0, RISCV_ISA_EXT_ZALASR, 1)		\
> 			  : : "r" (v), "r" (p) : "memory");	\
> 
> I didn't object option a), and I think it could be done in the future.
> Acquire Zalasr extension step by step.
> 
> > 
> > (a) would align RISC-V and ARM64 (which is a good thing IMO), though it
> > is probably the most invasive approach among the three approaches above
> > (requiring certain changes to arch/riscv/include/asm/{cmpxchg,atomic}.h,
> > which are already relatively messy due to the various ZABHA plus ZACAS
> > switches).  Overall, I'm not too exited at the idea of reviewing any of
> > those changes, but if the community opts for it, I'll almost definitely
> > take a closer look with due calm.  ;-)
> > 
> >   Andrea
> > 
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