linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/2] rust: pci: expose is_virtfn() and reject VFs in nova-core

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Message-ID: <0c94b94b-68a7-47e2-acde-0a2082ed36bf@nvidia.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2025 14:29:09 +0000
From: Zhi Wang <zhiw@...dia.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...dia.com>
CC: John Hubbard <jhubbard@...dia.com>, Alexandre Courbot
	<acourbot@...dia.com>, Danilo Krummrich <dakr@...nel.org>, Joel Fernandes
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] rust: pci: expose is_virtfn() and reject VFs in
 nova-core

On 2.10.2025 16.42, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2025 at 12:59:59PM +0000, Zhi Wang wrote:
>> On 2.10.2025 14.58, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 01, 2025 at 09:13:33PM +0000, Zhi Wang wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right, I also mentioned the same use cases of NIC/GPU in another reply
>>>> to Danilo. But what I get is NVIDIA doesn't use bare metal VF to support
>>>> linux container, 
>>>
>>> I don't think it matter what "NVIDIA" does - this is the upstream
>>> architecture it should be followed unless there is some significant
>>> reason.
>>
>> Hmm. Can you elaborate why?
>>
>> From the device vendor's stance, they know what is the best approach
>> to offer the better the user experience according to their device
>> characteristic.
> 
> You can easially push the code to nova core not vfio and make it work
> generically, some significant reason is needed beyond "the vendor
> doesn't want to".
> 

The point is: it is not that "easy" by just pushing the code to nova core
and then it works, because the entire software stack including the firmware
and its interface are not designed for such use case.

It just wouldn't work.

Z.

> Jason