linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4] rust: lock: Export Guard::do

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Message-ID: <f21d7120a27613aeef9bc3ce2ab4d49d20f2cf5d.camel@redhat.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2025 15:41:35 -0500
From: Lyude Paul <lyude@...hat.com>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@...gle.com>, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@...r.kernel.org, Benno
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 Trevor Gross <tmgross@...ch.edu>, Danilo Krummrich <dakr@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] rust: lock: Export Guard::do_unlocked()

On Fri, 2025-10-31 at 10:24 +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 10:38:32AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > On 10/31/25 10:31, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > > I do agree that this behavior has a lot of potential to surprise
> > > users, but I don't think it's incorrect per se. It was done
> > > intentionally for Condvar, and it's not unsound. Just surprising.
> > 
> > Yes, I agree that it is not unsound.`
> > 
> > For conditional variables, wait() is clearly going to release the mutex to
> > wait for someone else so the surprise factor is much less.  Having it return
> > a new guard would be closer to std::sync::Condvar::wait, but it'd add churn
> > and I'm not sure how much you all care about consistency with std.  std has
> > the extra constraint of poisoned locks so it doesn't really have a choice.
> 
> I mean, it's not that much different.
> 
> 	my_method(&mut guard);
> 
> might still call Condvar::wait internally, so it can release the lock
> today.

Ah - yeah, I realized after responding that it probably wasn't unsound. I -
think- then I'd rather us stay with &mut, but I'm still willing to change it
if we really want.

> 
> Alice

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 Lyude Paul (she/her)
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