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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2025 14:14:11 +0900
From: Byungchul Park <byungchul@...com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 44/47] dept: introduce APIs to set page usage and use
 subclasses_evt for the usage

On Thu, Nov 20, 2025 at 11:09:09AM +0900, Byungchul Park wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 02:37:17PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 07:53:12PM +0900, Byungchul Park wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2025 at 05:12:44PM +0900, Byungchul Park wrote:
> > > > False positive reports have been observed since dept works with the
> > > > assumption that all the pages have the same dept class, but the class
> > > > should be split since the problematic call paths are different depending
> > > > on what the page is used for.
> > > >
> > > > At least, ones in block device's address_space and ones in regular
> > > > file's address_space have exclusively different usages.
> > > >
> > > > Thus, define usage candidates like:
> > > >
> > > >    DEPT_PAGE_REGFILE_CACHE /* page in regular file's address_space */
> > > >    DEPT_PAGE_BDEV_CACHE    /* page in block device's address_space */
> > > >    DEPT_PAGE_DEFAULT       /* the others */
> > >
> > > 1. I'd like to annotate a page to DEPT_PAGE_REGFILE_CACHE when the page
> > >    starts to be associated with a page cache for fs data.
> > >
> > > 2. And I'd like to annotate a page to DEPT_PAGE_BDEV_CACHE when the page
> > >    starts to be associated with meta data of fs e.g. super block.
> > >
> > > 3. Lastly, I'd like to reset the annotated value if any, that has been
> > >    set in the page, when the page ends the assoication with either page
> > >    cache or meta block of fs e.g. freeing the page.
> > >
> > > Can anyone suggest good places in code for the annotation 1, 2, 3?  It'd
> > > be totally appreciated. :-)
> > 
> > I don't think it makes sense to track lock state in the page (nor
> > folio).  Partly bcause there's just so many of them, but also because
> > the locking rules don't really apply to individual folios so much as
> > they do to the mappings (or anon_vmas) that contain folios.
> 
> Thank you for the suggestion!
> 
> Since two folios associated to different mappings might appear in the
> same callpath that usually be classified to a single class, I need to
> think how to reflect the suggestion.
> 
> I guess you wanted to tell me a folio can only be associated to a single
> mapping at once.  Right?  If so, sure, I should reflect it.
> 
> > If you're looking to find deadlock scenarios, I think it makes more
> > sense to track all folio locks in a given mapping as the same lock
> > type rather than track each folio's lock status.
> > 
> > For example, let's suppose we did something like this in the
> > page fault path:
> > 
> > Look up and lock a folio (we need folios locked to insert them into
> > the page tables to avoid a race with truncate)
> > Try to allocate a page table
> > Go into reclaim, attempt to reclaim a folio from this mapping
> > 
> > We ought to detect that as a potential deadlock, regardless of which
> > folio in the mapping we attempt to reclaim.  So can we track folio
> 
> Did you mean 'regardless' for 'potential' detection, right?
> 
> > locking at the mapping/anon_vma level instead?
> 
> Piece of cake.  Even though it may increase the number of DEPT classes,

Might be not as easy as I thought it'd be.  I need to think it more..

	Byungchul

> I hope it will be okay.  I just need to know the points in code where
> folios start/end being associated to their specific mappings.
> 
> 	Byungchul
> 
> > ---
> > 
> > My current understanding of folio locking rules:
> > 
> > If you hold a lock on folio A, you can take a lock on folio B if:
> > 
> > 1. A->mapping == B->mapping and A->index < B->index
> >    (for example writeback; we take locks on all folios to be written
> >     back in order)
> > 2. !S_ISBLK(A->mapping->host) and S_ISBLK(B->mapping->host)
> > 3. S_ISREG(A->mapping->host) and S_ISREG(B->mapping->host) with
> >    inode_lock() held on both and A->index < B->index
> >    (the remap_range code)

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