linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 0/7] Add TUXEDO Elite 14 Gen1 (X1E78100)

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Message-ID: <ii2ktbb6xcjmy7ktbrdoi5am6wuizhwvmwy4gtr25ykmszh4df@p3rsknzzrzcp>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2025 01:41:59 +0200
From: Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@....qualcomm.com>
To: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@...nel.org>
Cc: Stephan Gerhold <stephan.gerhold@...aro.org>,
        Georg Gottleuber <ggo@...edocomputers.com>,
        Bjorn Andersson <andersson@...nel.org>,
        Konrad Dybcio <konradybcio@...nel.org>, Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>,
        Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@...nel.org>,
        Conor Dooley <conor+dt@...nel.org>, linux-arm-msm@...r.kernel.org,
        devicetree@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Ettore Chimenti <ettore.chimenti@...aro.org>,
        Srinivas Kandagatla <srini@...nel.org>, stefan.schmidt@...aro.org,
        wse@...edocomputers.com, cs@...edo.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/7] Add TUXEDO Elite 14 Gen1 (X1E78100)

On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 04:09:56PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> On 24/11/2025 15:34, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2025 at 12:15:40PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >> On 22/11/2025 12:00, Stephan Gerhold wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2025 at 11:16:25AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >>>> On 21/11/2025 15:26, Georg Gottleuber wrote:
> >>>>> [...]
> >>>>> Initial support for TUXEDO Elite 14 Gen1 laptop. It is based on Qualcomm
> >>>>> Snapdragon X Elite SoC (X1E78100).
> >>>>>
> >>>> [...]
> >>>>
> >>>>> Because the SoC is now outdated and some functions still do not work as
> >>>>> well as customers would expect from the TUXEDO brand, TUXEDO Elite 14 Gen1
> >>>>> will not be offered for sale. We would still like to submit our device
> >>>>> tree to the mainline kernel and thus contribute to Linux support for a
> >>>>> compatible device sold by Medion (SPRCHRGD 14 S1 Elite). At least in
> >>>>> Germany, this device was sold in many large stores. (An official press
> >>>>> statement will follow on our website.)
> >>>>
> >>>> For me this is unmergeable, because we do not take stuff which no one
> >>>> uses (no one can even use), and I am sad I put effort in reviewing AFTER
> >>>> this was known to be cancelled.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't think we have any requirement to have a large user base in order
> >>> to merge changes. There is already support for plenty of cancelled
> >>> products with only a few (if any) remaining users in mainline, e.g.
> >>>
> >>>  - Snapdragon X Elite Dev Kit (x1e001de-devkit), shipped only to a
> >>>    handful of users before cancelled
> >>>  - All ChromeOS SC7280 devices (including DTB variants for several
> >>>    revisions of pre-production samples), never shipped to anyone
> >>>
> >>
> >> I discuss here the timing primarily and I don't know the timing about them.
> >>
> >>> There are also plenty of internal reference devices that only a handful
> >>> of people have access to (MTP, HDK, CRD etc). What makes these any
> >>
> >> They are still "maintained" and "offered", even if only for handful
> >> (like 3000 EACH variant) people. That's the amount of board of each
> >> variant, e.g. MTP8750, and all of them run some sort of Linux, even if
> >> downstream. So sorry, but 3000 (or whatever number it is) is not handful.
> > 
> > Where does 3000 come from? The Bible says 10 people were enough to
> > maintain Sodom and Gomorrah. For Herobrine we know that there are very
> > few people still using those devices (maybe less than 10), but we still
> > keep it. Cheeza was dropped after it was known that the count is exactly
> > zero.
> > 
> >>
> >>> different? Ettore has been actively testing and contributing to the port
> >>> for the TUXEDO laptop, so if he wants to continue that, I don't think
> >>> anything speaks against merging this device tree.
> >>
> >> I won't be maintaining it, so not my effort in that, but since you speak
> >> about that - maintenance is an effort, thus I decide not to spend it on
> >> cancelled products.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> In any case, I don't think the time reviewing these changes is wasted:
> >>
> >> I am happy that you do not find my time wasted, but I disagree on that
> >> because knowing this is cancelled, I would probably not care and review
> >> products which are not cancelled at this time.
> > 
> > There still people owning and being happy with those laptops. It's
> > Bjorn's and Konrad's time being spent on maintaining those. What's the
> > issue?
> 
> 
> I think I described my issue very precise. Please read my first reply in
> this thread. Joining discussion at the end of it, not reading it and
> then asking "what is the issue" is not really encouraging me to discuss
> whether this is a problem or not.

I had read it before replying.

-- 
With best wishes
Dmitry