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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2025 15:00:51 +0100
From: Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@...nel.org>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>, Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@...cle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 04/23] slab: add sheaf support for batching kfree_rcu()
 operations



On 05/11/2025 12.25, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 11/3/25 04:17, Harry Yoo wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 10:32:54PM +0100, Daniel Gomez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/09/2025 10.01, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>>>> Extend the sheaf infrastructure for more efficient kfree_rcu() handling.
>>>> For caches with sheaves, on each cpu maintain a rcu_free sheaf in
>>>> addition to main and spare sheaves.
>>>>
>>>> kfree_rcu() operations will try to put objects on this sheaf. Once full,
>>>> the sheaf is detached and submitted to call_rcu() with a handler that
>>>> will try to put it in the barn, or flush to slab pages using bulk free,
>>>> when the barn is full. Then a new empty sheaf must be obtained to put
>>>> more objects there.
>>>>
>>>> It's possible that no free sheaves are available to use for a new
>>>> rcu_free sheaf, and the allocation in kfree_rcu() context can only use
>>>> GFP_NOWAIT and thus may fail. In that case, fall back to the existing
>>>> kfree_rcu() implementation.
>>>>
>>>> Expected advantages:
>>>> - batching the kfree_rcu() operations, that could eventually replace the
>>>>   existing batching
>>>> - sheaves can be reused for allocations via barn instead of being
>>>>   flushed to slabs, which is more efficient
>>>>   - this includes cases where only some cpus are allowed to process rcu
>>>>     callbacks (Android)
>>>>
>>>> Possible disadvantage:
>>>> - objects might be waiting for more than their grace period (it is
>>>>   determined by the last object freed into the sheaf), increasing memory
>>>>   usage - but the existing batching does that too.
>>>>
>>>> Only implement this for CONFIG_KVFREE_RCU_BATCHED as the tiny
>>>> implementation favors smaller memory footprint over performance.
>>>>
>>>> Also for now skip the usage of rcu sheaf for CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT as the
>>>> contexts where kfree_rcu() is called might not be compatible with taking
>>>> a barn spinlock or a GFP_NOWAIT allocation of a new sheaf taking a
>>>> spinlock - the current kfree_rcu() implementation avoids doing that.
>>>>
>>>> Teach kvfree_rcu_barrier() to flush all rcu_free sheaves from all caches
>>>> that have them. This is not a cheap operation, but the barrier usage is
>>>> rare - currently kmem_cache_destroy() or on module unload.
>>>>
>>>> Add CONFIG_SLUB_STATS counters free_rcu_sheaf and free_rcu_sheaf_fail to
>>>> count how many kfree_rcu() used the rcu_free sheaf successfully and how
>>>> many had to fall back to the existing implementation.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>
>>>
>>> Hi Vlastimil,
>>>
>>> This patch increases kmod selftest (stress module loader) runtime by about
>>> ~50-60%, from ~200s to ~300s total execution time. My tested kernel has
>>> CONFIG_KVFREE_RCU_BATCHED enabled. Any idea or suggestions on what might be
>>> causing this, or how to address it?
>>
>> This is likely due to increased kvfree_rcu_barrier() during module unload.
> 
> Hm so there are actually two possible sources of this. One is that the
> module creates some kmem_cache and calls kmem_cache_destroy() on it before
> unloading. That does kvfree_rcu_barrier() which iterates all caches via
> flush_all_rcu_sheaves(), but in this case it shouldn't need to - we could
> have a weaker form of kvfree_rcu_barrier() that only guarantees flushing of
> that single cache.

Thanks for the feedback. And thanks to Jon who has revived this again.

> 
> The other source is codetag_unload_module(), and I'm afraid it's this one as
> it's hooked to evey module unload. Do you have CONFIG_CODE_TAGGING enabled?

Yes, we do have that enabled.

> Disabling it should help in this case, if you don't need memory allocation
> profiling for that stress test. I think there's some space for improvement -
> when compiled in but memalloc profiling never enabled during the uptime,
> this could probably be skipped? Suren?
> 
>> It currently iterates over all CPUs x slab caches (that enabled sheaves,
>> there should be only a few now) pair to make sure rcu sheaf is flushed
>> by the time kvfree_rcu_barrier() returns.
> 
> Yeah, also it's done under slab_mutex. Is the stress test trying to unload
> multiple modules in parallel? That would make things worse, although I'd
> expect there's a lot serialization in this area already.

AFAIK, the kmod stress test does not unload modules in parallel. Module unload
happens one at a time before each test iteration. However, test 0008 and 0009
run 300 total sequential module unloads.

ALL_TESTS="$ALL_TESTS 0008:150:1"
ALL_TESTS="$ALL_TESTS 0009:150:1"

> 
> Unfortunately it will get worse with sheaves extended to all caches. We
> could probably mark caches once they allocate their first rcu_free sheaf
> (should not add visible overhead) and keep skipping those that never did.
>> Just being curious, do you have any serious workload that depends on
>> the performance of module unload?

Can we have a combination of a weaker form of kvfree_rcu_barrier() + tracking?
Happy to test this again if you have a patch or something in mind.

In addition and AFAIK, module unloading is similar to ebpf programs. Ccing bpf
folks in case they have a workload.

But I don't have a particular workload in mind.

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