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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2025 15:57:09 +0800
From: Chen-Yu Tsai <wenst@...omium.org>
To: Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>
Cc: Linus Walleij <linusw@...nel.org>, devicetree-spec@...r.kernel.org, 
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	Simon Glass <sjg@...omium.org>, Yu-Ping Wu <yupingso@...omium.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal: Officially allow "incomplete" trees as a base

On Thu, Dec 4, 2025 at 12:32 AM Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 11:34 PM Chen-Yu Tsai <wenst@...omium.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2025 at 6:11 AM Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In the simplest example we could have one base dts and two overlays
> > > > for two different DSI panel models:
> > > >
> > > >   - base.dtb
> > > >     - panel-model-a.dtbo
> > > >     - panel-model-b.dtbo
> > > >
> > > > The problem we then run into is that the base.dtb will only have the
> > > > generic model compatible "google,foo", not the sku and revision
> > > > specific ones like "google,foo-sku1-rev2".
> > > >
> > > > And we'd really like to avoid having _more_ overlays just to add the
> > > > final specific compatible string, as that kind of defeats the purpose
> > > > of using overlays to reduce the number of dts files.
> > >
> > > I think you may have simplified the above a little too much to the
> > > point where it's confusing. At least I'm a bit confused. I _think_ the
> > > problems you're talking about are the kinds of things we run into when
> > > we take overlays above just two levels. I'm imagining:
> > >
> > > - base.dtb
> > > - board1-rev1.dtbo
> > > - board2-rev1.dtbo
> > > - board1-rev2.dtbo
> > > - board2-rev2.dtbo
> > > - panel-a.dtbo
> > > - panel-b.dtbo
> > >
> > > So I think you're saying that you'd start with the "base.dtb" and then
> > > extend it with exactly one of the "board" overlays and then exactly
> > > one of the "panel" overlays. Is that right?
> >
> > For now I think we just experiment with having one end "model" or
> > "product" as the base.dtb. The panel-*.dtbo selected describe the
> > optional components, while the board-rev??.dtbo just provides the
> > top level compatible and model.
> >
> > In an example that I plan to send out this week, I would rework:
> >
> >   - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri.dtsi
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku0.dts
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku1.dts
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku2.dts
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku3.dts
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku4.dts
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku5.dts
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku6.dts
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku7.dts
> >
> > into:
> >
> >   - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri.dts
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-audio-max98390-es8326.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-audio-max98390-rt5682s.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-audio-tas2563-es8326.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-audio-tas2563-rt5682s.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-panel-boe.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-panel-ivo.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku0.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku1.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku2.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku3.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku4.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku5.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku6.dtso
> >     - arch/arm64/boot/dts/mediatek/mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku7.dtso
> >
> > The "mt8188-geralt-ciri-sku?.dtso" files only contain the following
> > boilerplate:
> >
> >     /dts-v1/;
> >     /plugin/;
> >
> >     &{/} {
> >         model = "Google Ciri sku? board (rev4)";
> >         compatible = "google,ciri-sku?", "google,ciri", "mediatek,mt8188";
> >     };
> >
> > The base "mt8188-geralt-ciri.dts" would already have a generic board-
> > specific compatible:
> >
> >     model = "Google Ciri board";
> >     compatible = "google,ciri", "mediatek,mt8188";
> >
> > > So I'd imagine that each of the "board" overlays could have "full"
> > > compatible strings. For instance, I'd imagine "board2-rev2" could
> > > have:
> > >
> > > compatible = "google,booard2-rev2", "socVendor,soc"
> > >
> > >
> > > The problem you're struggling with (I think) is that the panel
> > > overlays won't be represented in the compatible string (and "model")
> > > even though (historically) we always did in ChromeOS (they were
> > > included in the "sku" part of the compatible string).
> > >
> > > Did I get that right?
> >
> > In a sense you've generalized the problem I was describing.
> >
> > In my example, the top level compatible gets fixed up by the final
> > SKU-specific overlay. But that's 8 extra files to do one bit of
> > fixup that supposedly the bootloader could be taught to do, and
> > could do even better. The bootloader knows exactly which SKU and
> > revision it's running on and can insert the information appropriately.
> > We could get rid of those awkwardly long compatible string sequences:
> >
> >   compatible = "google,tentacruel-sku262147", "google,tentacruel-sku262146",
> >                "google,tentacruel-sku262145", "google,tentacruel-sku262144",
> >                "google,tentacruel", "mediatek,mt8186";
> >
> > Going back to what I think you're describing, is that instead of one
> > base board DTB for each product, we could have one base DTB for the
> > reference design (in place of the .dtsi file we currently have), and
> > make products and component selection all use overlays.
> >
> > If we do that, then inserting the correct top level compatible and model
> > becomes more important, since we do have things such as the ChromeOS OF
> > component prober working based on top level compatible. Also, the model
> > is present in logs, and would be very misleading to say one device name
> > while in reality it is a different one.
>
> I wasn't saying that you'd just have the same "compatible" for every
> derivative of a reference board. That seems over the top. I was
> thinking that you'd even have a unique "compatible" for each revision
> of each board instance. I'm simply suggesting that you don't need a
> per-SKU "compatible". Those don't add any real benefit, do they?
>
> In your Ciri example above, you could get rid of all of the "sku"
> overlay files since you've said that all they're doing is updating the
> "compatible". Since (I think) you're only trying to support "rev4"
> based on your model string, that would leave you just one file for
> Ciri. If you had more than one revision then you'd have more than one,
> but it doesn't need to be multiplied by the SKUs, right?

That's right. What I was saying was that the final device tree only has
a simplified compatible, but maybe someone would want a proper one inserted.

ChenYu

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