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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2025 22:50:11 +0100
From: Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 14/35] rcu: Support Clang's context analysis

On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 at 20:30, Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@...nel.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2025 at 04:09:39PM +0100, Marco Elver wrote:
> > Improve the existing annotations to properly support Clang's context
> > analysis.
> >
> > The old annotations distinguished between RCU, RCU_BH, and RCU_SCHED;
> > however, to more easily be able to express that "hold the RCU read lock"
> > without caring if the normal, _bh(), or _sched() variant was used we'd
> > have to remove the distinction of the latter variants: change the _bh()
> > and _sched() variants to also acquire "RCU".
> >
> > When (and if) we introduce context guards to denote more generally that
> > "IRQ", "BH", "PREEMPT" contexts are disabled, it would make sense to
> > acquire these instead of RCU_BH and RCU_SCHED respectively.

 ^

> > The above change also simplified introducing __guarded_by support, where
> > only the "RCU" context guard needs to be held: introduce __rcu_guarded,
> > where Clang's context analysis warns if a pointer is dereferenced
> > without any of the RCU locks held, or updated without the appropriate
> > helpers.
> >
> > The primitives rcu_assign_pointer() and friends are wrapped with
> > context_unsafe(), which enforces using them to update RCU-protected
> > pointers marked with __rcu_guarded.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>
>
> Good reminder!  I had lost track of this series.
>
> My big questions here are:
>
> o       What about RCU readers using (say) preempt_disable() instead
>         of rcu_read_lock_sched()?

The infrastructure that is being built up in this series will be able
to support this, it's "just" a matter of enhancing our various
interfaces/macros to use the right annotations, and working out which
kinds of contexts we want to support. There are the obvious
candidates, which this series is being applied to, as a starting
point, but longer-term there are other kinds of context rules that can
be checked with this context analysis. However, I think we have to
start somewhere.

> o       What about RCU readers using local_bh_disable() instead of
>         rcu_read_lock_sched()?

Same as above; this requires adding the necessary annotations to the
BH-disabling/enabling primitives.

> And keeping in mind that such readers might start in assembly language.

We can handle this by annotating the C functions invoked from assembly
with attributes like  __must_hold_shared(RCU) or
__releases_shared(RCU) (if the callee is expected to release the RCU
read lock / re-enable preemption / etc.) or similar.

> One reasonable approach is to require such readers to use something like
> rcu_dereference_all() or rcu_dereference_all_check(), which could then
> have special dispensation to instead rely on run-time checks.

Agree. The current infrastructure encourages run-time checks where the
static analysis cannot be helped sufficiently otherwise (see patch:
"lockdep: Annotate lockdep assertions for context analysis").

> Another more powerful approach would be to make this facility also
> track preemption, interrupt, NMI, and BH contexts.
>
> Either way could be a significant improvement over what we have now.
>
> Thoughts?

The current infrastructure is powerful enough to allow for tracking
more contexts, such as interrupt, NMI, and BH contexts, and as I
hinted above, would be nice to eventually get to!  But I think this is
also a question of how much do we want to front-load for this to be
useful, and what should incrementally be enhanced while the baseline
infrastructure is already available.

I think the current series is the baseline required support to be
useful to a large fraction of "normal" code in the kernel.

On a whole, my strategy was to get to a point where maintainers and
developers can start using context analysis where appropriate, but at
the same time build up and incrementally add more supported contexts
in parallel. There's also a good chance that, once baseline support
lands, more interested parties contribute and things progress faster
(or so I'd hope :-)).

Thanks,
-- Marco

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