linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v1] ACPI: Documentation: driver-api: Disapprove of using ACPI drivers

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Message-ID: <aVvcobLt9YUL1jws@smile.fi.intel.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 17:45:37 +0200
From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@...ux.intel.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>
Cc: Linux ACPI <linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Hans de Goede <hansg@...nel.org>,
	Linux Documentation <linux-doc@...r.kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@...ux.intel.com>,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@...el.com>, Armin Wolf <w_armin@....de>,
	Danilo Krummrich <dakr@...nel.org>,
	Ilpo Jarvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] ACPI: Documentation: driver-api: Disapprove of using
 ACPI drivers

On Mon, Jan 05, 2026 at 12:25:04PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:

> Sadly, there is quite a bit of technical debt related to the
> kernel's ACPI support subsystem and one of the most significant
> pieces of it is the existence and use of ACPI drivers represented
> by struct acpi_driver objects.
> 
> Those drivers are bound directly to struct acpi_device objects, also
> referred to as "ACPI device nodes", representing device objects in the
> ACPI namespace defined as:
> 
>  A hierarchical tree structure in OS-controlled memory that contains
>  named objects. These objects may be data objects, control method
>  objects, bus/device package objects, and so on.
> 
> according to the ACPI specification [1].
> 
> The above definition implies, although rather indirectly, that the
> objects in question don't really represent hardware.  They are just
> "device package objects" containing some information on the devices
> present in the given platform that is known to the platform firmware.
> 
> Although the platform firmware can be the only source of information on
> some devices, the information provided by it alone may be insufficient
> for device enumeration in general.  If that is the case, bindig a driver

binding

> directly to a given ACPI device node clearly doesn't make sense.  If
> the device in question is enumerated through a hardware interface, it
> will be represented by a device object matching that interface, like
> a struct pci_dev, and the ACPI device node corresponding to it will be
> treated as its "ACPI companions" whose role is to amend the "native"
> enumeration mechanism.
> 
> For the sake of consistency and confusion avoidance, it is better to
> treat ACPI device nodes in general as ACPI companions of other device
> objects representing hardware.  In some cases though it appeared easier
> to take a shortcut and use an ACPI driver binding directly to an ACPI
> device node.  Moreover, there were corner cases in which that was the
> only choice, but they all have been addressed now.
> 
> In all cases in which an ACPI driver might be used, the ACPI device
> node it might bind to is an ACPI companion of another device object
> representing a piece of hardware.  It is thus better to use a driver
> binding to the latter than to use an ACPI driver and leave the other
> device object alone, not just because doing so is more consistent and
> less confusing, but also because using ACPI drivers may lead to
> potential functional deficiencies, like possible ordering issues
> related to power management.
> 
> Unfortunately, there are quite a few ACPI drivers in use and, as a rule,
> they bind to ACPI device nodes that are ACPI companions of platform
> devices, so in fact they play the role of platform drivers although in
> a kind of convoluted way.  An effort has been under way to replace them
> with platform drivers, which is relatively straightforward in the vast
> majority of cases, but it has not been pursued very aggressively so far,
> mostly due to the existence of the corner cases mentioned above.
> However, since those corner cases are gone now, it makes sense to spend
> more time on driver conversions with the ultimate goal to get rid of
> struct acpi_driver and the related code from the kernel.
> 
> To that end, add a document explaining why using ACPI drivers is not
> a good idea, so it need not be explained from scratch on every attempt
> to convert an ACPI driver to a platform one.

Reviewed-by: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@...ux.intel.com>

I have read it in full and found quite useful. Also it would be probably good
to have a pointer somewhere on the example how to convert the driver from ACPI
driver to a platform one. Maybe in a form of the existing commit(s), dunno...

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko