linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH net-next v10 4/5] net: devmem: document NETDEV_A_DMABUF

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Message-ID: <20260126184440.755a55b2@kernel.org>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2026 18:44:40 -0800
From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
To: Bobby Eshleman <bobbyeshleman@...il.com>
Cc: Stanislav Fomichev <stfomichev@...il.com>, "David S. Miller"
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v10 4/5] net: devmem: document
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 18:30:45 -0800 Bobby Eshleman wrote:
> > > I'm not a fan of the existing cmsg scheme, but we already have userspace
> > > using it, so getting more performance out of it seems like an easy win?  
> > 
> > I don't like:
> >  - the fact that we have to add the binding to a socket (extra field)
> >    - single socket can only serve single binding, there's no technical
> >      reason for this really, AFAICT, just the fact that we have a single
> >      pointer in the sock struct  
> 
> The core reason is that sockets lose the ability to map a given token to
> a given binding by no longer storing the niov ptr.
> 
> One proposal I had was to encode some number of bits in the token that
> can be used to lookup the binding in an array, I could reboot that
> approach.
> 
> With 32 bits, we can represent:
> 
> dmabuf max size = 512 GB, max dmabuf count = 8
> dmabuf max size = 256 GB, max dmabuf count = 16
> dmabuf max size = 128 GB, max dmabuf count = 32
> 
> etc...
> 
> Then, if the dmabuf count encoding space is exhausted, the socket would
> have to wait until the user returns all of the tokens from one of the
> dmabufs and frees the ID (or err out is another option).
> 
> This wouldn't change adding a field to the socket, we'd have to add one
> or two more for allocating the dmabuf ID and fetching the dmabuf with
> it. But it does fix the single binding thing.

I think the bigger problem (than space exhaustion) is that we'd also
have some understanding of permissions. If an application guesses 
the binding ID of another app it can mess up its buffers. ENOBUENO..