netdev - Re: [RFD] L2 Network namespace infrastructure

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Message-ID: <467D9B8F.2050403@garzik.org>
Date:	Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:15:43 -0400
From:	Jeff Garzik <jeff@...zik.org>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
CC:	ebiederm@...ssion.com, kaber@...sh.net, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	hadi@...erus.ca, shemminger@...ux-foundation.org,
	greearb@...delatech.com, yoshfuji@...ux-ipv6.org,
	containers@...ts.osdl.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] L2 Network namespace infrastructure

David Miller wrote:
> I don't accept that we have to add another function argument
> to a bunch of core routines just to support this crap,
> especially since you give no way to turn it off and get
> that function argument slot back.
> 
> To be honest I think this form of virtualization is a complete
> waste of time, even the openvz approach.
> 
> We're protecting the kernel from itself, and that's an endless
> uphill battle that you will never win.  Let's do this kind of
> stuff properly with a real minimal hypervisor, hopefully with
> appropriate hardware level support and good virtualized device
> interfaces, instead of this namespace stuff.

Strongly seconded.  This containerized virtualization approach just 
bloats up the kernel for something that is inherently fragile and IMO 
less secure -- protecting the kernel from itself.

Plenty of other virt approaches don't stir the code like this, while 
simultaneously providing fewer, more-clean entry points for the 
virtualization to occur.

And that's speaking WITHOUT my vendor hat on...

	Jeff


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