netdev - Re: [PATCH 1/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently on alpha

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Message-Id: <1abc2c621d6b62b3ac9f489d4d18806a@kernel.crashing.org>
Date:	Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:38:24 +0200
From:	Segher Boessenkool <segher@...nel.crashing.org>
To:	Chris Snook <csnook@...hat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently on alpha

>> The only safe way to get atomic accesses is to write
>> assembler code.  Are there any downsides to that?  I don't
>> see any.
>
> The assumption that aligned word reads and writes are atomic, and that 
> words are aligned unless explicitly packed otherwise, is endemic in 
> the kernel.  No sane compiler violates this assumption.  It's true 
> that we're not portable to insane compilers after this patch, but we 
> never were in the first place.

You didn't answer my question: are there any downsides to using
explicit coded-in-assembler accesses for atomic accesses?  You
can handwave all you want that it should "just work" with
volatile accesses, but volatility != atomicity, volatile in C
is really badly defined, GCC never officially gave stronger
guarantees, and we have a bugzilla full of PRs to show what a
minefield it is.

So, why not use the well-defined alternative?


Segher

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