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Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0708151906330.16414@enigma.security.iitk.ac.in>
Date:	Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:17:29 +0530 (IST)
From:	Satyam Sharma <satyam@...radead.org>
To:	Stefan Richter <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de>
cc:	Christoph Lameter <clameter@....com>,
	Chris Snook <csnook@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch@...r.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	ak@...e.de, heiko.carstens@...ibm.com, davem@...emloft.net,
	schwidefsky@...ibm.com, wensong@...ux-vs.org, horms@...ge.net.au,
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	rpjday@...dspring.com, jesper.juhl@...il.com,
	segher@...nel.crashing.org,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all
 architectures



On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Stefan Richter wrote:

> Satyam Sharma wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Stefan Richter wrote:
> >> Doesn't "atomic WRT all processors" require volatility?
> > 
> > No, it definitely doesn't. Why should it?
> > 
> > "Atomic w.r.t. all processors" is just your normal, simple "atomicity"
> > for SMP systems (ensure that that object is modified / set / replaced
> > in main memory atomically) and has nothing to do with "volatile"
> > behaviour.
> > 
> > "Volatile behaviour" itself isn't consistently defined (at least
> > definitely not consistently implemented in various gcc versions across
> > platforms), but it is /expected/ to mean something like: "ensure that
> > every such access actually goes all the way to memory, and is not
> > re-ordered w.r.t. to other accesses, as far as the compiler can take
> > care of these". The last "as far as compiler can take care" disclaimer
> > comes about due to CPUs doing their own re-ordering nowadays.
> > 
> > For example (say on i386):
> 
> [...]
> 
> > In (A) the compiler optimized "a = 10;" away, but the actual store
> > of the final value "20" to "a" was still "atomic". (B) and (C) also
> > exhibit "volatile" behaviour apart from the "atomicity".
> > 
> > But as others replied, it seems some callers out there depend upon
> > atomic ops exhibiting "volatile" behaviour as well, so that answers
> > my initial question, actually. I haven't looked at the code Paul
> > pointed me at, but I wonder if that "forget(x)" macro would help
> > those cases. I'd wish to avoid the "volatile" primitive, personally.
> 
> So, looking at load instead of store, understand I correctly that in
> your opinion
> 
> 	int b;
> 
> 	b = atomic_read(&a);
> 	if (b)
> 		do_something_time_consuming();
> 
> 	b = atomic_read(&a);
> 	if (b)
> 		do_something_more();
> 
> should be changed to explicitly forget(&a) after
> do_something_time_consuming?

No, I'd actually prefer something like what Christoph Lameter suggested,
i.e. users (such as above) who want "volatile"-like behaviour from atomic
ops can use alternative functions. How about something like:

#define atomic_read_volatile(v)			\
	({					\
		forget(&(v)->counter);		\
		((v)->counter);			\
	})

Or possibly, implement these "volatile" atomic ops variants in inline asm
like the patch that Sebastian Siewior has submitted on another thread just
a while back.

Of course, if we find there are more callers in the kernel who want the
volatility behaviour than those who don't care, we can re-define the
existing ops to such variants, and re-name the existing definitions to
somethine else, say "atomic_read_nonvolatile" for all I care.
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