netdev - Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures

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Message-Id: <43eccf425e36943ce0411c3b504b1de2@kernel.crashing.org>
Date:	Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:00:30 +0200
From:	Segher Boessenkool <segher@...nel.crashing.org>
To:	Satyam Sharma <satyam@...radead.org>
Cc:	Christoph Lameter <clameter@....com>, heiko.carstens@...ibm.com,
	horms@...ge.net.au, Stefan Richter <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de>,
	Bill Fink <billfink@...dspring.com>,
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	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
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	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, zlynx@....org,
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	Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>, davem@...emloft.net,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	wensong@...ux-vs.org, wjiang@...ilience.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures

> Here, I should obviously admit that the semantics of *(volatile int *)&
> aren't any neater or well-defined in the _language standard_ at all. 
> The
> standard does say (verbatim) "precisely what constitutes as access to
> object of volatile-qualified type is implementation-defined", but GCC
> does help us out here by doing the right thing.

Where do you get that idea?  GCC manual, section 6.1, "When
is a Volatile Object Accessed?" doesn't say anything of the
kind.  PR33053 and some others.

> Honestly, given such confusion, and the propensity of the "volatile"
> type-qualifier keyword to be ill-defined (or at least poorly 
> understood,
> often inconsistently implemented), I'd (again) express my opinion that 
> it
> would be best to avoid its usage, given other alternatives do exist.

Yeah.  Or we can have an email thread like this every time
someone proposes a patch that uses an atomic variable ;-)


Segher

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