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Message-ID: <46C703C9.9060507@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Date:	Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:35:53 +0200
From:	Stefan Richter <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de>
To:	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...e.de>
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Subject: LDD3 pitfalls (was Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently
 across all architectures)

Nick Piggin wrote:
> Stefan Richter wrote:
>> Nick Piggin wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know why people would assume volatile of atomics. AFAIK, most
>>> of the documentation is pretty clear that all the atomic stuff can be
>>> reordered etc. except for those that modify and return a value.
>>
>>
>> Which documentation is there?
> 
> Documentation/atomic_ops.txt
> 
> 
>> For driver authors, there is LDD3.  It doesn't specifically cover
>> effects of optimization on accesses to atomic_t.
>>
>> For architecture port authors, there is Documentation/atomic_ops.txt.
>> Driver authors also can learn something from that document, as it
>> indirectly documents the atomic_t and bitops APIs.
>>
> 
> "Semantics and Behavior of Atomic and Bitmask Operations" is
> pretty direct :)
> 
> Sure, it says that it's for arch maintainers, but there is no
> reason why users can't make use of it.


Note, LDD3 page 238 says:  "It is worth noting that most of the other
kernel primitives dealing with synchronization, such as spinlock and
atomic_t operations, also function as memory barriers."

I don't know about Linux 2.6.10 against which LDD3 was written, but
currently only _some_ atomic_t operations function as memory barriers.

Besides, judging from some posts in this thread, saying that atomic_t
operations dealt with synchronization may not be entirely precise.
-- 
Stefan Richter
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