Message-ID: <20070902015537.GH16016@stusta.de>
Date:	Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:55:37 +0200
From:	Adrian Bunk <bunk@...nel.org>
To:	Jason Dixon <jason@...ongroup.net>
Cc:	mureninc@...il.com, jeff@...zik.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	jirislaby@...il.com, alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 08:36:24PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote:
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>
>> OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types
>> of files changed by Jiri's patch:
>> 1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only
>> 2. previously dual licenced files with a too recent version used planned
>>    to make GPL-only
>> 3. never dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only
>>
>> For files under 1. and 2. Reyk did contribute to dual licenced code
>> without touching the licence, but I missed that there's also code unter 3.
>>
>> So there is a problem, but not with the code under 1. (unless you plan
>> to change the semantics of the word "alternatively"), the problem is
>> with some headers under 2. plus the code under 3.
>
> The BSD license plainly states:
>
> "Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any
> purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above
> copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies."
>
> Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must 
> remain.  You are free to derive work and redistribute under your license, 
> but the original copyright and license permission remains intact.  Many 
> other entities (Microsoft, Apple, Sun, etc) have used BSD code and have no 
> problem understanding this.  Why is this so difficult for the Linux brain 
> share to absorb?
>
> As a former Linux advocate and current OpenBSD user/developer, I'm appalled 
> that fellow open-source developers would see fit to cavalierly disregard 
> the rights of the original copyright holder.  You wield the GPL when it 
> suits you, and trample the courtesies of non-GPL developers just because 
> you [think you] can.  As bad as Jiri's offense was, it pales to the 
> impudence displayed by Alan Cox, one of the so-called defenders of free 
> software.
> 
> Shame on you all.

Jiri's patch would have wrongly not only removed the BSD statement from 
dual licenced files but also from not dual licenced files.

This was a mistake in this patch (that was never merged into the tree) 
neither Jiri nor Alan noticed.


The only disagreement is about the following:

Theo claimed boldly in the email that started this thread on 
linux-kernel it would "break the law" to choose one licence for dual 
licenced code like the following:


/*      $OpenBSD: ath.c,v 1.63 2007/05/09 16:41:14 reyk Exp $  */
/*      $NetBSD: ath.c,v 1.37 2004/08/18 21:59:39 dyoung Exp $        */

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> Jason Dixon

cu
Adrian

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