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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:56:29 +0100 From: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@...glemail.com> To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>, Nick Piggin <piggin@...erone.com.au>, Satyam Sharma <satyam@...radead.org>, Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>, Christoph Lameter <clameter@....com>, Chris Snook <csnook@...hat.com>, Ilpo Jarvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@...sinki.fi>, "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, Stefan Richter <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de>, Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, ak@...e.de, heiko.carstens@...ibm.com, David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, schwidefsky@...ibm.com, wensong@...ux-vs.org, horms@...ge.net.au, wjiang@...ilience.com, cfriesen@...tel.com, zlynx@....org, rpjday@...dspring.com, jesper.juhl@...il.com, segher@...nel.crashing.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures On Sunday 09 September 2007 19:18, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:02:54 +0100 > Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@...glemail.com> wrote: > > > Why is all this fixation on "volatile"? I don't think > > people want "volatile" keyword per se, they want atomic_read(&x) to > > _always_ compile into an memory-accessing instruction, not register > > access. > > and ... why is that? > is there any valid, non-buggy code sequence that makes that a > reasonable requirement? Well, if you insist on having it again: Waiting for atomic value to be zero: while (atomic_read(&x)) continue; gcc may happily convert it into: reg = atomic_read(&x); while (reg) continue; Expecting every driver writer to remember that atomic_read is not in fact a "read from memory" is naive. That won't happen. Face it, majority of driver authors are a bit less talented than Ingo Molnar or Arjan van de Ven ;) The name of the macro is saying that it's a read. We are confusing users here. It's doubly confusing that cpy_relax(), which says _nothing_ about barriers in its name, is actually a barrier you need to insert here. -- vda - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
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